Thank you for that. It's a fine line between too much on the dial and not enough.
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Help a PAM noob choose a first watch please
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The PAM127 has a lug to lug width of 58mm, the 44mm PAMs are slightly smaller at 52mm.
Wow! 58mm . I'd say 52mm is my max before it starts hanging off my wrist. Of course the shape of the lugs matters too
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Ok dudes!
I've been in contact with a TD and I'm confirming stock. I've narrowed my choices down to 3, we'll maybe 4 models.
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111 noob v4
005 noob v2
000 h factory
390 h factory
Between the base models 112, 000 and 390 I really prefer the 000. The reason is that I find the dial to be more balanced. The 112 with just the one line of text above and below seems too symmetrical. The 390 with the two lines of text at the top seems unbalanced. I love that the 000 has the one line at the top, one line at the bottom and then the logo, it almost gives it a pyramid shape. So I really prefer the 000 in this case. Also the fact that the 112 has an open caseback and only h factory is available I think the movement is not up to noob standards, please someone chime in if that's incorrect.
So with seconds hand I have the 111 and the 005, both are available by noob according to intime. Although another dealer told me 005 is not available by noob. H factory 005 would also be acceptable to me. Between these two I think I prefer the dial of the 111. The reason is that the 005 with three lines of text, logo and seconds seems a little busy. The 111 without the logo and two lines of text at the top and one at the bottom is a little less busy and also gives that pyramid shape. But then it also has open caseback which I think is beautiful yet is also a "tell".
So in summary, 111 noob v4, 005 noob v2(or 005 h factory v2), 000 h factory.
I know that all the differences are subjective and these are all greater entry pam. But if you guys have any thoughts regarding h factory versus noob in regards to these particular watches. For example although I may prefer the 005 but if it is only available by h factory am I better off getting the 111 made by noob. The noob having perhaps better case?
Thanks again
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I've been in contact with a TD and I'm confirming stock. I've narrowed my choices down to 3, we'll maybe 4 models.
(Images borrowed from web)
111 noob v4
005 noob v2
000 h factory
390 h factory
Between the base models 112, 000 and 390 I really prefer the 000. The reason is that I find the dial to be more balanced. The 112 with just the one line of text above and below seems too symmetrical. The 390 with the two lines of text at the top seems unbalanced. I love that the 000 has the one line at the top, one line at the bottom and then the logo, it almost gives it a pyramid shape. So I really prefer the 000 in this case. Also the fact that the 112 has an open caseback and only h factory is available I think the movement is not up to noob standards, please someone chime in if that's incorrect.
So with seconds hand I have the 111 and the 005, both are available by noob according to intime. Although another dealer told me 005 is not available by noob. H factory 005 would also be acceptable to me. Between these two I think I prefer the dial of the 111. The reason is that the 005 with three lines of text, logo and seconds seems a little busy. The 111 without the logo and two lines of text at the top and one at the bottom is a little less busy and also gives that pyramid shape. But then it also has open caseback which I think is beautiful yet is also a "tell".
So in summary, 111 noob v4, 005 noob v2(or 005 h factory v2), 000 h factory.
I know that all the differences are subjective and these are all greater entry pam. But if you guys have any thoughts regarding h factory versus noob in regards to these particular watches. For example although I may prefer the 005 but if it is only available by h factory am I better off getting the 111 made by noob. The noob having perhaps better case?
Thanks again
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Some comments to be considered
Regarding layout of dials, balance and appearance is a taste matter and will be up to you. Just saying that in real life and in the wrist the balance of the dials is not as important as you think.
Dial Type:
Sandwich dials are better from Noob
Sausage dial if you get the last versions are really similar and equivalents Noob and H maker
Caseset:
This is a controversial matter because you cannot know what will actually be the version you will get.
The best case at this moment is a complete V4 Noob, but it is almost impossible to get it, indeed most likely you will get a V3 or a mixed caseset, or a transition model
Last H maker case (from 2015 or end 2014) has an impressive finish and gen-like appearance (maybe the best one), but unfortunately the edges are really sharper than gen either in the mid case or the bezel. The look is awesome and few persons will tell the sharper edges impressed by the overall finish. Anyway this is inaccurate
Between Noob V3 or new H maker I have to say that I prefer the H maker. It is true the inaccuracy of the edges but the overall appearance is really impressive and the gen-like feel is there. Few people will tell the differences of sharpness
ALE
Regarding layout of dials, balance and appearance is a taste matter and will be up to you. Just saying that in real life and in the wrist the balance of the dials is not as important as you think.
Dial Type:
Sandwich dials are better from Noob
Sausage dial if you get the last versions are really similar and equivalents Noob and H maker
Caseset:
This is a controversial matter because you cannot know what will actually be the version you will get.
The best case at this moment is a complete V4 Noob, but it is almost impossible to get it, indeed most likely you will get a V3 or a mixed caseset, or a transition model
Last H maker case (from 2015 or end 2014) has an impressive finish and gen-like appearance (maybe the best one), but unfortunately the edges are really sharper than gen either in the mid case or the bezel. The look is awesome and few persons will tell the sharper edges impressed by the overall finish. Anyway this is inaccurate
Between Noob V3 or new H maker I have to say that I prefer the H maker. It is true the inaccuracy of the edges but the overall appearance is really impressive and the gen-like feel is there. Few people will tell the differences of sharpness
ALE
Thank you Ale. The big takeaway I have from this post is that despite the difference between h maker and noob case they are both perfectly viable option.
Can you confirm that the 000 N h maker would be a recent case and dial? Or is that always a gamble?
Do you know if the 112 M H maker has upgrades on the movenent similar to the noob?
It turns out the 005 N v2 noob is out of stock, but I would be happy with the H factory in this case.
The dealer told me of course that 390 noob is out of stock but they have KW and H factory for only $169. That seems like a great deal. He shared with me some pictures (these are not qc pics). I notice the caseback of the H factory has inferior engraving to the kw, do you agree? Which of these two is recommended?
First is said to be kw
Second said to be H factory
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I know, the question was for ALE, but as the Hfac has the sticker, its hard to say, how the engraving is. But what bothers me more is the CG fit to the case on the KW. To me, it seems to be terrible and a way off
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Oh yeah i see that now. FYI these are not my qc pics and we aren't speaking in particular about these two posted watches. Just the two makers in general.
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H Maker Case and bezel edges can be polished down to give it that slightly rounded edge I over rounded a Pam000 once trying to match it to my Gen. a skilled polisher can achieve this no problem.
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IMO the best option of this PAM 390 is the KW (leving aside Noob)
Mainly if you get a watch with the lug holes a bit less high than usually (maybe the only issue of this KW case)
At this moment you can assure nothing about the version of Luminor 44mm case that you will receive. H maker is the more sure at this regard, because it seems they have finished the old cases, anyway you could get an old case from an offer
ALE
Mainly if you get a watch with the lug holes a bit less high than usually (maybe the only issue of this KW case)
At this moment you can assure nothing about the version of Luminor 44mm case that you will receive. H maker is the more sure at this regard, because it seems they have finished the old cases, anyway you could get an old case from an offer
ALE
However guys, i have just placed an order with Sead for Hfac. 390. Will accompany great my 372 [emoji4] love the simple yet impactfull design of both of them
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Amazing, congrats. I'm just having the toughest time deciding on base or marina
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Just buy one, it's a rep! Not a big investment. If you don't like then sell to another member, it will sell quickly!
For the price of the 390, i would give a go to both and you will see, what suites you more. You still can sell it here if you dont like one of them.
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Available in kw or h fac and for very good priceOh, so it's still available. Hmm, might have to get a 390 again.
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