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Have I been scammed by an RWI member? [ISSUE RESOLVED]

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RWIGWH

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I guess I'm concern, but again, is it so hard to admit a mistake was done?
05 admits he makes mistakes and everybody find that great.

Alina, I never said you or any other mod or admin did bad, I just said it could have been done better.
We're all grateful to the job you're doing here... But it doesn't mean you can't to better.
I thought trying to improve was part of the human condition.

That was just my 0.02 cents.
I've understand a while back that any of you didn't care for it, and that fine, as I said before, I know, and always knew RWI is not a democracy... But you'll never be able to stop people who want to speak up to do it, unless you use censorship.
Careful though, by doing that RWI would become just another RG, where people were banned because they don't agree with the staff (more specifically Sylar)
This is a completely asinine statement using generalization. You have been around long enough to know that RWI is nothing like RG in this manner. We have always been able to openly discuss just about anything the membership sees fit within reason. No board is perfect, but this forum is as close as it's ever going to get. It's also ok to admit you were wrong from time to time, and the admin, and staff sometimes do, as they have proven to be rational, and level headed when needed...It's unfortunate that some members can't act accordingly...
Hint, hint?
 

levelmanroger

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Mods and Admins handled this in the manner they saw as best at the time given the circumstances. Unfortunately there was one hiccup they couldn't know about (a buyer who was not indicated on a sales thread).
We are all entitled to ur opinions of how we would have done it differently, or even how we would have done it "better", but the fact is that the staff here did what they did for good reason and with good intent. Nothing nefarious was done or intended here.
There will always be times when someone says or does something that others disagree with. And sometimes that person will be a Mod. That does NOT mean there is some underlying systemic problem with this forum, nor does it mean that we need to tear things apart and rebuild them. It just means that we are all human and will not always see eye-to-eye on every situation.
And now, all's well that ends well.

So can we just shake hands and go back to business as usual around here?

I move this thread be closed and life go on. Anyone second the motion?
 

Q5?

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Thanks thinkbachs but that won't happen here.

Boudart. I did take it personal when you mentioned that my fellow moderators were not efficient. I hope the other members, who I care for, remember that this isnt our full time job. I hope they understand that we volunteer our free time to help. I hope they understand why decide to do things a certain way.

You say you appreciate us but we could do better. That's kind of like eating at a homeless shelter and telling them they could have served you better. Pretty tacky. Right?

I'm gonna look at some watches and try to help some polite people now. :
 

05tbowner

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Other watch was successfully received, although similar to the case of rcrscom, there are mixed reactions as to the quality of the item delivered.

What was the other watch? Was it the Longines? I can assure you that was was in great condition when sent out.
 

RWIGWH

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I have no use for it, and in all fairness, the watch is still yours. Unless someone in this thread speaks up and wants it, I'm sending it back to you.



I think you missed the part where the OP tried to PM the seller and was unable to... and no where in his post did he call the seller a scammer.
No, I don't think B missed that part.
 

ahw676

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I guess I'm concern, but again, is it so hard to admit a mistake was done?
05 admits he makes mistakes and everybody find that great.

Alina, I never said you or any other mod or admin did bad, I just said it could have been done better.

I suppose it's a fact of the human condition that no one enjoys admitting that he's made a mistake. I'm no better than most when it comes to that, and I admit this freely. However, in this particular case, while I appreciate your views, even in retrospect, I would not have handled this one any differently.

It may not help to review the thought process that went into my actions, but I assure you that I considered it carefully, and I'll try again, even if it's in vain, to illustrate what I had intended.

Let's say that you, Boudart, are the seller in question. You are a longstanding, well-respected member. Another member sends me a PM stating that he has purchased an item from you (within same country) and has not received it in two weeks, nor has he had any communications from you. I send you a PM but receive no response for a day, although you are on line and posting on the board, so at this point, I have to escalate this to urging a prompt response or else I'll be forced to no-sale you. You come back with a response that you haven't been able to answer PM's the past two weeks because of computer problems (although you are posting on the board regularly), and you've had multiple shipped items returned due to presumed errors from the postal service.

I'm sorry, but the excuses do sound flimsy, so at this point, I have to do something with your other multiple sales. Your suggestion is that I should take every one of your sales, close them, and slap warning messages on them saying "this sale is closed due to x".

Now let's say that you, Boudart, are completely honest and forthright and have done everything by the book, yet delivery was delayed due to unforeseen and unpreventable reasons. Scenario now is that hundreds of potential buyers will see your sales threads with warning signs on them and later, when all this is over, they will think, "hm, I seem to remember seeing his name with a warning next to his sale once--better let this pass".

At the other extreme, let's say you are a scammer, pure and simple. Your sales are closed, but a noob comes across a sale, doesn't notice that it's closed, and never reads to the end of the thread to see the warning. He sends you a PM (which he can, because you're not no-saled at this point), buys the item, and gets scammed out of his money.

So in my opinion, there is the potential for significant harm with your suggestion, regardless of whether you, the seller, are a scammer or not.

By quietly removing the sale and notifying only members who are already interested in purchasing your items, the only people who are aware that there is a potential problem are those who have an immediate need to know. If the previous item in question is successfully delivered, your sales are moved back to the public area, intact, no warnings, and life continues as usual. Your reputation is unscathed, as it should be. There's no drama and everyone is happy.

If it turns out that you are a scammer, your sales are gone, no one can buy from you, even if they're a complete noob and have no idea what's going on in the sales area.

Now unfortunately, I did not consider the scenario that I'd remove the sales and members would call the staff out for conspiracy and censorship and require that full disclosure be made regarding this seller's dirty laundry. But then, no matter how good my intentions are, I guess I can't anticipate every glitch.

I don't mind if you have a different suggestion regarding how to handle this, and I'm absolutely comfortable defending my actions. But at best, I'd consider this a difference in opinion and judgment, not a "mistake".
 

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Very well said ahw676 and you are one smart teddy bear.
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RWIGWH

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Now unfortunately, I did not consider the scenario that I'd remove the sales and members would call the staff out for conspiracy and censorship and require that full disclosure be made regarding this seller's dirty laundry. But then, no matter how good my intentions are, I guess I can't anticipate every glitch.
Ah, ha! So you admit you are not perfect! Score one for team nutso.
 

BADWIN BING

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I suppose it's a fact of the human condition that no one enjoys admitting that he's made a mistake. I'm no better than most when it comes to that, and I admit this freely. However, in this particular case, while I appreciate your views, even in retrospect, I would not have handled this one any differently.

It may not help to review the thought process that went into my actions, but I assure you that I considered it carefully, and I'll try again, even if it's in vain, to illustrate what I had intended.

Let's say that you, Boudart, are the seller in question. You are a longstanding, well-respected member. Another member sends me a PM stating that he has purchased an item from you (within same country) and has not received it in two weeks, nor has he had any communications from you. I send you a PM but receive no response for a day, although you are on line and posting on the board, so at this point, I have to escalate this to urging a prompt response or else I'll be forced to no-sale you. You come back with a response that you haven't been able to answer PM's the past two weeks because of computer problems (although you are posting on the board regularly), and you've had multiple shipped items returned due to presumed errors from the postal service.

I'm sorry, but the excuses do sound flimsy, so at this point, I have to do something with your other multiple sales. Your suggestion is that I should take every one of your sales, close them, and slap warning messages on them saying "this sale is closed due to x".

Now let's say that you, Boudart, are completely honest and forthright and have done everything by the book, yet delivery was delayed due to unforeseen and unpreventable reasons. Scenario now is that hundreds of potential buyers will see your sales threads with warning signs on them and later, when all this is over, they will think, "hm, I seem to remember seeing his name with a warning next to his sale once--better let this pass".

At the other extreme, let's say you are a scammer, pure and simple. Your sales are closed, but a noob comes across a sale, doesn't notice that it's closed, and never reads to the end of the thread to see the warning. He sends you a PM (which he can, because you're not no-saled at this point), buys the item, and gets scammed out of his money.

So in my opinion, there is the potential for significant harm with your suggestion, regardless of whether you, the seller, are a scammer or not.

By quietly removing the sale and notifying only members who are already interested in purchasing your items, the only people who are aware that there is a potential problem are those who have an immediate need to know. If the previous item in question is successfully delivered, your sales are moved back to the public area, intact, no warnings, and life continues as usual. Your reputation is unscathed, as it should be. There's no drama and everyone is happy.

If it turns out that you are a scammer, your sales are gone, no one can buy from you, even if they're a complete noob and have no idea what's going on in the sales area.

Now unfortunately, I did not consider the scenario that I'd remove the sales and members would call the staff out for conspiracy and censorship and require that full disclosure be made regarding this seller's dirty laundry. But then, no matter how good my intentions are, I guess I can't anticipate every glitch.

I don't mind if you have a different suggestion regarding how to handle this, and I'm absolutely comfortable defending my actions. But at best, I'd consider this a difference in opinion and judgment, not a "mistake".

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I think you missed the part where the OP tried to PM the seller and was unable to... and no where in his post did he call the seller a scammer.

No sir, I did not miss anything. I have no hostility towards you and I'm sorry that you received a watch that was not as described.

As for the OP calling the seller a scammer......it's there in the thread title. Some may view this as a question. I, however, view this as an accusation.

I stand by my earlier post 100%. A lack of common sense is evident here. This thread serves no purpose. The OP should have thought this through before posting and ultimately dragging someones name through the mud.

It's not the first time the OP has jumped on somebody. He has only one opinion, and that's his own.
 

Master Of The Universe

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I think you missed the part where the OP tried to PM the seller and was unable to... and no where in his post did he call the seller a scammer.


Thank you rcrscom. Apparently you read and comprehended what I originally was set out to do. Can't say the same for others I suppose.
Badwin doesn't care to much for me, and that's actually fine for me. We're not expected to get along or like everyone in life.
However, RESPECT and understanding of another persons situation, that's an entirely different matter, some people show it (Respect), others have no idea of it's true meaning.

Apparently I get a bad rep for announcing the big white elephant in the room (or the possibility of it existing), when nobody else wants to see it. This is what I get I suppose for being blunt, straight forward , honest and not scared.

Bottom line is, I'd expect the same actions of anyone who just saw my account get locked out, no ability to communicate with me within the RWI community, and just after buying something from me and or still hadn't received the item they paid for or traded.
Why am I not afraid to see a post like that about me? Because I have nothing to hide. Ask any person whom has traded or bought from me, I have provided in PM or email, the picture proof of shipping an item and or evidence the item was shipped. Of which still exists in my Photobucket account. And, I always deliver exactly what I had described and sold. More often than so, I have been more critical of my descriptions then most would feel necessary.

Again, nothing to hide. Ever.

On another note, I am still confident 05tbowner will still deliver as stated.
However this bad rep I get from Badwin and a few others, completely not called for because I inquired about a matter that was potentially obvious.
 

Wiz

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Okaaaayy...

I can't believe I'm the one saying that, but why don't everyone here just take a deep breath and relax? :)

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Master Of The Universe

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I stand by my earlier post 100%. A lack of common sense is evident here. This thread serves no purpose. The OP should have thought this through before posting and ultimately dragging someones name through the mud.

It's not the first time the OP has jumped on somebody. He has only one opinion, and that's his own.

Speaking of common sense or the lack of, you apparently have no room to talk, and in addition, you haven't received any of the PM's I have recently with regards to 05. So yeah, you should just go away now, because this matter never did invlove you in the first place.

What was that ahw676 about Badwin being too mature to get into a cat fight over this. I beg to differ now.
 

BADWIN BING

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Sticks and stones.......

I know you better than most. I've been on the receiving end!!!
 
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