Have I been scammed by an RWI member? [ISSUE RESOLVED]

[trksh-bzr]

Trksh-bzr, we'll all understand that how you proceed, it just might not be the correct way, if it was, such feeling would never be expressed:

I don't agree that no matter what way things were to be handled, we could avoid members getting confused or annoyed every once in a while.

I do believe we are doing the right thing.

I understand that Master gets surprised when the thread is sudddenly gone, but then again, it isn't a bigger deal than than it is.
I think that the "no sale" issued to an active seller will always come as an unplesant surprise to buyers. and I understand that. when you then learn that the thread is gone, then suddenly that becomes the main issue, when the whole change of the situation as all together causing the buyer to get worried.

In a perfect world, the buyers reaction should have been:
1: contact 1 or more mods/admins byPM and ask what is going on.
2: post a thread called; "Member XXXXX has been nosaled and I have a pending purchase from him" (something along those lines)

not saying to bash master at all, I understand that he didn't post this out of ill will, but noone is keeping secrets here.


things seem to be proceeding in the right direction now, and everyone now knows that the thread is moved to avoid things getting worse than they already are.

hope you accept that.

 

[Spboudart]

OK!
Just saying closing the thread and giving the reason why, would have been a better idea, to me.

I've had to pm a few mods once before because I was dealing with someone and during the mean time the guys showed 'no sale' (didn't last long has he was re-instablished after a few days), but it took the whole day before I was able to get the reason why, the mods I pmed had no clue, contacted Col that contacted me to tell me he was going to find what mod was dealing with the problem and ask me to contact me. Very productive day for everyone, I just call that EFFICIENCY.

 

[trksh-bzr]

thw case you refer to was handled as well as it could be. '
I don't see the problem really. there was reason to take action, and though it seems unhandy to you that things happen without us being able to explain right away, the point remains that the staff were not the instigators. someone else was. that means that we have to sort things out the best we can, given the situation.
leaving everything out in the open, every thing said and discussed by staff, believe me, will not ba a good way to handle things.

 

[avenger007]

Suggestion noted! Thanks, Boudart.

 

[Q5?]

I've had to pm a few mods once before because I was dealing with someone and during the mean time the guys showed 'no sale' (didn't last long has he was re-instablished after a few days), but it took the whole day before I was able to get the reason why, the mods I pmed had no clue, contacted Col that contacted me to tell me he was going to find what mod was dealing with the problem and ask me to contact me. Very productive day for everyone, I just call that EFFICIENCY.

Sounds like you need to start a whole new thread about this. I'd sure like to find out more from you on this experience. All of those people running around trying to help you. And not one of them geting paid to do it! All volunteers. Thanks Boudart!!!

 

[Spboudart]

thw case you refer to was handled as well as it could be.

Never said it was not.

I don't see the problem really. there was reason to take action, and though it seems unhandy to you that things happen without us being able to explain right away, the point remains that the staff were not the instigators. someone else was. that means that we have to sort things out the best we can, given the situation.

No problem at all.

Once again, time could be saved by everyone if procedure were to be changed. Who'd be better for staff and members.

 

[Spboudart]

Suggestion noted! Thanks, Boudart.

Thanks!

 

[trailboss99]

Boudart, with all due respect you look at the purdy watches and let us worry about the efficiency of the way the admin team is run please.

In situations such as this our main priority is the safety of the members, not their convenience. I would much rather have a couple of members get worried for a few hours than some poor noob (who may not notice a no-sale condition) pulling the trigger on a questionable sale.

In the admin here we have a combined total of well over 200 years of experience running fora. I myself have been doing so since the command line days before the WWW even existed. This experience tells us that the best way to stop a sale is if the thread disappears for exactly the reasons that have you so upset, people get a shock and are immediately concerned. The effectiveness of this is shown by the first post in this thread. Had the OP not already paid he would not have done so.

If I appeared on the bridge of your ship and began to tell you how to run her you would quite rightfully tell me to get the hell off your bridge, sit back and enjoy the ride. Sure I could run her but not anywhere near as well as you can, she's your ship and you do it every day. Of cause I would not be so crass as to tell you how to run your ship, it's your job. Please show the same respect to the staff here. We have the con, you enjoy the ride. Thank you.

 

[Spboudart]

Sounds like you need to start a whole new thread about this. I'd sure like to find out more from you on this experience. All of those people running around trying to help you. And not one of them geting paid to do it! All volunteers. Thanks Boudart!!!

Pm sent to trksh-bzr.

 

[Spboudart]

...the reasons that have you so upset ...

I'm defenitly not upset, just expressing what I thought would improve the forum.

If I appeared on the bridge of your ship and began to tell you how to run her you would quite rightfully tell me to get the hell off your bridge, sit back and enjoy the ride.

If I did I'd be a damn poor Captain!
Many people in my job are over confident (Ie: Costa Concordia) and runs into disaster.
On my bridge I take all infos coming to me then take the decision that's best, never, EVER, put away an info EVEN from the less experience person on board without analysing it. (There's actually a STCW mandatory tranning called 'Bridge Team Management')

 

[avenger007]

I know the rules, I know this is no democracy, but I know that people with power sometime forget why they accepted this power for.
(ie: a cop job is to serve and protect.......)

Suggesting a better way of doing things is great. Inferring that the Staff may have gone "bad cop" on this is quite another. Perhaps you need to choose your words a little more carefully.

We do quite a lot behind the scenes and admittedly don't get everything 100% right 100% of the time, but that language infers that there has been an abuse of power. Moving a thread in the best interest of the forum does not fall into that category.

 

[Spboudart]

Suggesting a better way of doing things is great. Inferring that the Staff may have gone "bad cop" on this is quite another. Perhaps you need to choose your words a little more carefully.

We do quite a lot behind the scenes and admittedly don't get everything 100% right 100% of the time, but that language infers that there has been an abuse of power.

Cool down!
I never said that any of you were 'bad cop', very sorry you thought I did. I apologize.
I just said that I know that people with power have tendency to forget why thay had it, not saying everybody will, nor any of you did, but the risk is there (and never to be forgotten).

Moving a thread in the best interest of the forum does not fall into that category.

Damn right, but ignoring member concern could (And I didn't wrote 'is', I'm using conditionnal)


Please don't try to make me look like a bad guy, there're no bad people here, just a community trying to help each other to get the best reps safely.

 

[ahw676]

Without pointing any fingers at who is "right" or "wrong", and no, ThinkBachs, you can't hurt my feelings, let me try to make a brief explanation.

I received a PM noting concern from a member who had made a purchase from 05tbowner and had not received item or communications about shipping for over two weeks.

I contacted 05tbowner and after two days, received an explanation that shipping problems had occurred and item had been reshipped. However, lack of comms is very concerning. Typically a decision should be made whether to no-sale a member at this point, as 05tbowner had suddenly posted quite a few sales. After reviewing his previous sales feedback (which was excellent), I made a decision that no-sale was potentially damaging to his reputation, and made the decision instead, to remove his sales from the member sales area, in essence ensuring the safety of the rest of the membership, without attaching a punitive tag to his name. I also contacted potential purchasers by PM to inform them of this. Unfortunately, it happened that Master of the Universe had not posted in the thread in question, 05tbowner had also not posted any indication that he had sold the item, so I had no idea to contact Master.

Yes, I could have closed the sale and appended a tag to announce the reason why, but again, this could be unnecessarily airing dirty laundry, and would prevent putting the sale back into circulation if all misunderstandings were cleared. I did eventually have to no-sale 05tbowner for posting a large ticket item for sale despite not getting approval yet from the application he submitted.

I understand certainly, that now that Master has sent the funds that he would like to have the item info available to him. I have PM'ed the sale info in its entirety, since he is the only one who needs to know.

All of this was immediately communicated to the rest of the mod team, so anyone he contacted would have helped him gladly. The idea was to handle this quickly, efficiently, and with the least drama possible. Unfortunately, these good intentions were circumvented, which was accidental, and fine, but does not need to be belabored now.

Now does anyone have a problem with this?

 

[ahw676]

I suppose I should stick to posting "nice watch," titty pics, and "when is the noob factory going to make this version?"

That would be awesome. Thanks.

 

[ahw676]

Uh, actually not really, and I'm sorry you feel that way. However if you wish to perceive it as such Badwin, that's entirely your choice.

I know that Badwin is too mature to engage in a catfight over what is obviously a misunderstanding. I know that your motives were honest and pure, Master, but around here, starting a public thread even hinting that you're concerned that someone might be a scammer is tantamount to name-calling and racial slurs. We know you meant no harm, but this is how it gets perceived.

Hopefully the issues will be resolved soon and we can put this behind us.

 

[rcrscom]

I'm also in the middle of a deal with 05tbowner that has yet to be resolved... Paid for a watch (5512) on the 10th, and have yet to receive it. Thread was left open until a couple of days ago when I posted that I had paid on the 10th. I received the same story as the OP, so hopefully, that was the case. I had only received a tracking number after multiple requests, and was told it went express. The tracking # supplied showed first class, and when asked about this, he said that it was the post office's fault (twice now, the excuse has been it's the post office's fault). The # is now showing that it's in my town, so I would expect it tomorrow. I'll be sure to protect myself by videotaping the retrieval from mailbox, as well as the opening to show either that the envelope/box/whatever does indeed contain the watch. I'm not saying 05tbowner would have sent anything else but the watch, but there was a recent incident on another board of someone sending junk just to cover their ass with a tracking #... I hope to update with good news tomorrow.

Happy to report that the watch came as promised, though a little late. Hope it all works out for the OP!

 

[ahw676]

Happy to report that the watch came as promised, though a little late. Hope it all works out for the OP!

I'm relieved to hear it. Another one is supposed to arrive today, so I've got my fingers crossed for the other buyer.

 

[templeton]

Just like to add a vote of confidence in that I purchased an item from 05TBOWNER a couple weeks ago and it arrived no problem.

 

[rcrscom]

Ok, so the watch arrived, but not the way I expected it to... Ad clearly states that it needed two movement tabs, which was no problem, and I was happy to put in myself. I remove the caseback, and THERE IS NO MOVEMENT HOLDER TO ATTACH THE SCREWS OR TABS TO. Not to mention, the way the bezel was epoxied in (I knew about the epoxy) was done sloppily, and can be clearly seen...

I'm pissed. I pay for the watch on the 10th, I don't receive it until the 23rd, and now it's not as described! How do I go about getting a refund?!?

 

[trailboss99]

THERE IS NO MOVEMENT HOLDER TO ATTACH THE SCREWS OR TABS TO.

Pics?