GMF released a GMT 3186 clone movement

[Mark1937]

TT just posted a video too.

I don’t know about the insert though. The blue/black line at the 18 is off. Also, the blue looks good in the pic but looks a bit off in the video.

Engravings are too thin and wrong. Color blue maybe is nice

 

[KJ2020]

Engravings are too thin and wrong. Color blue maybe is nice

The color in the video is not the same as in the pics

 

[DC109]

KJ2020 In the video of the V3, the crown position look more gen than the older CHS version, but the time setting works backwards. Any thoughts on how that could be?

 

[KJ2020]

KJ2020 In the video of the V3, the crown position look more gen than the older CHS version, but the time setting works backwards. Any thoughts on how that could be?

That's a good catch bro. The video doesn't show time setting in crown position 3, but the hour jumping in crown position 2 is indeed opposite of gen/VR3185/SH3186. It is a true clone though, based on movement pics and the unlikelihood they would set the date backwards in the video with a timebomb movement. The TDs know full well the folly of that action.

The crown position in the video looks a little low to me compared to the pics and to the ARF I have in hand, but it's hard to tell for sure. The hand stack in the video is just like the photos, just like gen/VR/SH, and completely different from the GMF 2824 CHS timebombs.

My conclusion would have to be that the SA3186 uses a modified jump click that hour jumps in an opposite way from the others. Until we see how it sets time for certain, we can only speculate.

These Chinese jump clicks are all rep knockoffs. The VR is based on the gen 3185, the SH is based on the gen 3186 (weaker design even in gen) so it would not come as a complete surprise to me to see one that works opposite to the others. BTW the ARF SH3186 I have in hand is brand new, awaiting a VR3185 transplant. In the short time I've had it, and not even using it but just manipulating it to assess it, it will no longer hour jump backwards. The jump click is binding and I'm sure it would break if I forced it. Hour jumping works forward, and the date changes satisfactorily. The two VR3185 movements I've had are smooth and flawless, plus have a nice datewheel. I have a gen 3185 jump click but so far haven't seen the need to use it.

Edit: TSWATCH now has a video up that shows time setting in crown position 3. The hands advance forward when the crown is turned clockwise. So only hour jumping is opposite to the others. Apparently this is a proprietary jump click, not replaceable by a gen part. Or maybe it was just installed in a different way. It will be interesting to see.

Click on the video tab near the bottom.

https://www.ts-stations.cn/mobile/goods.php?ProId=26804

BTW time setting and hour jumping work opposite on the 3285 movement, so when the 126710 models are released (double coronet dials and Jubilee bracelets), time setting will be wrong again from gen on any reps using VR/SH/SA 3185/6 true clones.

One final note: the TSWATCH video shows the new insert with the 18 transition in the right place and the better blue color.

 

[sickopsycho]

My conclusion would have to be that the SA3186 uses a modified jump click that hour jumps in an opposite way from the others. Until we see how it sets time for certain, we can only speculate.

Interesting. I'm wondering what, exactly, makes it a clone movement if it uses a completely different mechanism to adjust the time/date. When I think a clone movement, I think most everything in it (aside from the balance assembly, etc) can be replaced with gen parts. I'm guessing this is not the case here- and since one part typically effects the one next to it, and the one next to that, etc... it would seem that there might not be much clone to it at all. I'd be very curious to get my hands on one- and if someone can confirm beyond a reasonable doubt that a VR3185 will drop right in... I would snatch one up in a heartbeat.

KJ2020 Thanks for your in depth analysis based on the information at hand, which granter- isn't too much.

 

[Hazing]

Andrew only has the Batman, LN, And rootbeer listed. Is there a Pepsi or did they skip the pepsi because of the jubilee/blue dial set up ona 3186? Or is it just not listed?

So is this the first GMT that moves the date forward and backward or have other movements been doing that?

ETA: Li said the pepsi is available. But I’d really love to see the insert color, the color transition (although I’m sure it’s similar to the Batman in hr transition points), and details in general.

 

[Hazing]

I think they may be using the wrong sized minute hand for the 116710. The minute hand length looks more like the length used in the 126710.

The insert is looking much better. I am not able to make out any visible speedbumps in pictures or video. I wonder if that issue is now solved?

The 116710BLNR and the 126710BLNR use different hands. The hour and minute hands are different. Also, on the 126710, the gmt hand is longer.

on trusty’s site, it is listed as a “126710” despite the fact that they’re clearly showing pics of a 116710. I noticed when the noob/ARF/vrf debate was going on, the pics posted on the site were very unreliable. They were all showing either the 3185or 3186. They were showing the same movement while they were supposed to house different movements. So the sites aren’t the best source for accurate info.

 

[Conceyted]

The plot thickens! I'm very tempted to buy but not loving what I am hearing about the proprietary jump click. What to do?!

 

[KJ2020]

Andrew only has the Batman, LN, And rootbeer listed. Is there a Pepsi or did they skip the pepsi because of the jubilee/blue dial set up ona 3186? Or is it just not listed?

So is this the first GMT that moves the date forward and backward or have other movements been doing that?

ETA: Li said the pepsi is available. But I’d really love to see the insert color, the color transition (although I’m sure it’s similar to the Batman in hr transition points), and details in general.

The VR3185 and SH3186 both will change the date forward and backward if they are working properly.

TSWATCH and Trusty are only showing three GMF models with the new true clone SA3186. 116710LN, BLNR and 116713LN (two tone). There will undoubtedly be more releases. If/when GMF releases an SA3186 Pepsi, it will likely have the same Pepsi insert on it that their current 2824 CHS timebomb has. BTW they call it an A3186 too. Um, no.

https://trustytime.shop/index.php?ma...ducts_id=20162

FWIW, I like the GMF Pepsi insert, if you can get one without the white line separating the red and blue. Bright vibrant colors look better to me and do more justice to recalling the Pepsi legacy. I wish Rolex would make them more like GMF's, lol.

I think we just need to give up hoping all of these reps will get the hand sizes right. Just try to buy one that happens to have the right hands if you want that. It's not something that's a dealbreaker to me.

 

[KJ2020]

Interesting. I'm wondering what, exactly, makes it a clone movement if it uses a completely different mechanism to adjust the time/date. When I think a clone movement, I think most everything in it (aside from the balance assembly, etc) can be replaced with gen parts. I'm guessing this is not the case here- and since one part typically effects the one next to it, and the one next to that, etc... it would seem that there might not be much clone to it at all. I'd be very curious to get my hands on one- and if someone can confirm beyond a reasonable doubt that a VR3185 will drop right in... I would snatch one up in a heartbeat.

KJ2020 Thanks for your in depth analysis based on the information at hand, which granter- isn't too much.

I'm also very interested in how the SA3186 jump click works opposite the others. You're right about some other parts needing to be different too. The Chinese watchmakers are pretty crafty. I think it will take a VR3185, the base movements are the same diameter.

 

[Hazing]

I got some pics of one in case you guys wanted to check it out. I can post better ones in the am if you like/need.

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[freakyfrank]

I got some pics of one in case you guys wanted to check it out. I can post better ones in the am if you like/need.

I really like the centered date wheel.

 

[sickopsycho]

I got some pics of one in case you guys wanted to check it out. I can post better ones in the am if you like/need.

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That's the *GMF* v3 116710ln?

 

[Saul Goodman]

No one ordered a batman yet?

 

[iotrap]

No one ordered a batman yet?

I am about to order one. Anyone else?


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[Duc]

I am about to order one. Anyone else?


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Daring. Obviously this is easier to swallow than Noob’s $700 time bomb movement, but even at $500, I’m not interested in GMF’s timebomb movement.

I imagine most will continue waiting for VRF to make design improvements on top of its quality movement.

 

[Conceyted]

Daring. Obviously this is easier to swallow than Noob’s $700 time bomb movement, but even at $500, I’m not interested in GMF’s timebomb movement.

I imagine most will continue waiting for VRF to make design improvements on top of its quality movement.

Sounds like you're pretty confident that this will be a timebomb movement.

 

[iotrap]

If it blows up I’ll put in a VR movement. Still less than Noob.


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[Duc]

Sounds like you're pretty confident that this will be a timebomb movement.

I hope to be wrong, but history has not been kind to the SA movement.

 

[Saul Goodman]

I hope to be wrong, but history has not been kind to the SA movement.

yeah, tbh i would not rely on an sa movement either. Yet instead of the older chs timebombs if the thing explodes you can simply put in an vr one.