first super clone RM movement

[Stuart Pitt]

Looks like there's something wrong with the proportions of the replica movement.
On the original, the two right mounting screws aren't partially hidden under the bezel.
I had thought it's just that the case is too narrow, but the cannon pinion is centered, so looks like the designer chose to make the right side of the movement wider for some reason.

 

[GiantSquid]

Looks like there's something wrong with the proportions of the replica movement.
On the original, the two right mounting screws aren't partially hidden under the bezel.
I had thought it's just that the case is too narrow, but the cannon pinion is centered, so looks like the designer chose to make the right side of the movement wider for some reason.

Bet you they're hiding the real keyless works over there behind that deco bridge. I had noticed something was off with the movement, but couldn't tell what and you're 100% right that the screws shouldn't be hidden under the rehaut like that at all. Probably looked at these images over a hundred times and never noticed!

I still think this "clone" is more like someone took an existing watch movement, took the wheels out, and machined bridges to hold them that look kinda like the RMUL movement. The proportions are kinda janky because they've still got to work around a few key dimensions from whatever movement they stole the wheels from.

 

[mnkoshka]

Who is actually behind the manufacture of this clone?
a few things don’t add up especially the price tag

 

[TheDonSL]

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[XLR8R]

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thats standart zf

 

[OffshoreNL]

i found out this movements up for sale also at a chinese platform but they are selling for 7-8000usd

Can you share a link? Also in my PM if you prefer that. Would like to take a look

 

[TheDonSL]

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thats standart zf

Yes my bad. Someone sent me that but translator was off! Lol


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[mnkoshka]

8000usd.. Jesus!! you’d want to be able to get spare parts for this and have functional serviceability, otherwise this is an expensive waste of time.
Hopefully we can get clarity on what parts are used in the manufacture and materials. I’d say it’s a must know for that price.


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[ywg]

8000usd.. Jesus!! you’d want to be able to get spare parts for this and have functional serviceability, otherwise this is an expensive waste of time.
Hopefully we can get clarity on what parts are used in the manufacture and materials. I’d say it’s a must know for that price.


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Agreed 100%.

 

[mnkoshka]

Maybe I missed something and I excuse me if I have but Is there a reason why the website or source of info on This movement isn’t being made public on this forum?. There seems to be snippets of info added here but nothing we can check and validate for ourselves.


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[mnkoshka]

Looks like there's something wrong with the proportions of the replica movement.
On the original, the two right mounting screws aren't partially hidden under the bezel.
I had thought it's just that the case is too narrow, but the cannon pinion is centered, so looks like the designer chose to make the right side of the movement wider for some reason.

If they are using existing ( then decorated) movement parts it’s likely the spacing of some gear centres in relation to diameter could have created the need for the size of the movement plate / mounts to be moved out slightly In order to accommodate them. This could be an indication that not every movement part has been made from scratch otherwise this would have been factored into the overall size. Either way something size wise isn’t gen spec.


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[NickNickNickk]

My mind is on that master dragon titanium… 8k for a watch movement that is clearly a replica is toooo much. 8k for that masterdragon rep i would understand..

 

[Corvax]

So guys, I have some thoughts that I want to share and discuss here.
I am 99% sure that the rep movement is based on a modified miyota M8N33W caliber.
I was prompted by the identical parts of the mechanisms and their dimensions / proportions.

Here's what I noticed:
- identical in size and color balance wheel
- same size jewels
- the same escape wheel

as well as a few more very similar gears in color, size and number of teeth.

This version is also supported by the fact that factories like to use miyota calibers - they are available, inexpensive and quite reliable. Of course, if this is really a modified miyota, there can be no question of any hundreds and thousands of dollars in cost. imho )

 

[Timrm]

Im disappointed if that’s the only version we get. But anyways a big step into the right direction


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[krkqm2008]

Well at least we know its not gonna cost some 8k USD to buy this watch.

 

[Stuart Pitt]

Good points GiantSquid and Corvax.
Someone already mentioned the movement is a skeletonized Vaucher.
Buy in bulk at $1K per, use the guts and sell for 50% more, I'd buy one.

 

[GiantSquid]

Corvax brilliant post! I'm pretty sure you're right and I'm definitely sure that this is the construction method used: tear apart an off-the-shelf movement, mirror the wheel hardpoints R to L, and stick the whole thing in a new set of bridges that look like the RMUL. My only question is what are they doing with that keyless jumper at 5:00? It's the only part I can't find a place for and although I'm not familiar with this particular movement I would assume it's a necessary part of the keyless. Other than that one piece there's a serious correlation between those two movements. Good looking out!

 

[Mercedesslr]

Is it just me or does it feel like we should just get a Swiss movement homage technical sports watch for the price they are potentially going to be asking. Like an Aventi skull but mixed like the Hofa watches.

 

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[aquamac]

Guys, am I missing something here or is the Miyota balance wheel on the wrong side of the movement. It needs to be lower right from the front to echo the RM movement. From the pics above when looking at the front of the Miyota movement, it appears lower left.