First look: The VSV NAUTILUS 5711/1Am - A true superclone and possibly the best Patek rep ever.

[yll]

Prefer bazel only if they can do it right
put on PPF V4

 

[trailboss99]

Do they sell the movement only without the rest of the watch?

Dude, I don't know, I run a forum not a sales page, ask them.

 

[trailboss99]

Prefer bazel only if they can do it right
put on PPF V4

Wot?

 

[Empereur]

I measured the top view "bezel/bevel" ratios of blue gen 5711s and ChazingTime (CgT) custom modded rep using pics of 8 gens (incuding a rendered one) and of the ChgT rep on my laptop monitor according to this scheme:



Here are the pics I used:

Gen1


Gen2


Gen3


Gen4


Gen5


Gen6 - rendered image


Gen7


Gen8


CgT rep - QC


CgT rep - Website


And here are the results. I made the measurements in mm using my digital caliper on my laptop monitor:


I think most (all?) of us want a 5711 rep bezel to be what I measured on the rendered gen image. However, in photos of real gen watches it cannot always be seen and measured. The reason of this may be the camera angle, distortion and/or the different bezel geometry.

Be careful, however, the notion of lense, distance, reframing, etc. can have influence on the perceived size.
For example, the same face with different lense :

 

[grillbrill]

Be careful, however, the notion of lense, distance, reframing, etc. can have influence on the perceived size.
For example, the same face with different lense :

Yes, I mentioned it in my post. That's why it's hard to draw a correct conclusion about the 5711 bezel from 1-2 pics.

 

[Empereur]

Yes, I mentioned it in my post. That's why it's hard to draw a correct conclusion about the 5711 bezel from 1-2 pics.

I saw, you are right. But I wanted to illustrate it so people could visualize how impactful it is.

 

[blunt_0000]

I have access to a CMM and can measure a 5712 bezel. Not sure if that would help in settling the bezel fear. Also: Patek finish is standardized but there are definitely variations.

 

[Erinoush]

Be careful, however, the notion of lense, distance, reframing, etc. can have influence on the perceived size.
For example, the same face with different lense :

Be careful, the lens doesn't change the perspective (in the center of the frame), it is the distance which influence the perspective.
Your picture with the 8mm is shot from 10cm distance, while with the 200mm it is from 3mish distance.... and here you're right, this has a real influence on perspective...

 

[Empereur]

Be careful, the lens doesn't change the perspective (in the center of the frame), it is the distance which influence the perspective.
Your picture with the 8mm is shot from 10cm distance, while with the 200mm it is from 3mish distance.... and here you're right, this has a real influence on perspective...

Considering that in all the photos the watch is the same size...

 

[Cheesegrater]

Well I think we pretty much come to the conclusion that for that hefty price , a few things need to be addressed. Even after that, I still don’t see how it can beat the cost to having a 3kf modded.

 

[Erinoush]

Considering that in all the photos the watch is the same size...

you have a clear reply by looking the face of the gentleman above phtographed .... most possible that all these watches above presented have exaclty the same shape...

But the gen may also have some variances, it has been polished or not, ths would modify the shape of the bezel, and bevels, but not in a sense that the watch presented here from chazetime becomes close to a gen imo....

Same for the dial, the white balance adjustment will change the color and tint of the dial, and many photos in different lightning of the same dial will never look the same color....

 

[Fettekatze]

Problem is the PPF dial is not green enough. Its hue skews more purple, while the gen is very much on the green side of blue.

 

[grillbrill]

I measured the top view "bezel/bevel" ratios of blue gen 5711s and ChazingTime (CgT) custom modded rep using pics of 8 gens (incuding a rendered one) and of the ChgT rep on my laptop monitor according to this scheme:



Here are the pics I used:

Gen1


Gen2


Gen3


Gen4


Gen5


Gen6 - rendered image


Gen7


Gen8


CgT rep - QC


CgT rep - Website


And here are the results. I made the measurements in mm using my digital caliper on my laptop monitor:


I think most (all?) of us want a 5711 rep bezel to be what I measured on the rendered gen image. However, in photos of real gen watches it cannot always be seen and measured. The reason of this may be the camera angle, distortion and/or the different bezel geometry.

Out of curiosity I've completed my measurement investigations with my PF and my bezel modded blue 3KF reps:

My PF v2:


My bezel modded blue 3KF v2:


The completed result table:


Interestingly, my PF bezel data look similar to what I found at Gen5, Gen6-rendered and Gen8, while my modded blue 3KF bezel data look similar to Gen2, Gen7 and ChazingTime CNC bezel as shown in their website. Now I understand why many of us consider the PF bezel to be the most genlike, because its top view bezel/bevel ratio looks very similar to the rendered gen image. However, the total diameter/bezel diameter ratio of the PF rep is slightly larger than that of the rendered gen which may give a sort of "slenderness" to the PF bezel.

 

[Tommygunzzzz]

Out of curiosity I've completed my measurement investigations with my PF and my bezel modded blue 3KF reps:

My PF v2:


My bezel modded blue 3KF v2:


The completed result table:


Interestingly, my PF bezel data look similar to what I found at Gen5, Gen6-rendered and Gen8, while my modded blue 3KF bezel data look similar to Gen2, Gen7 and ChazingTime CNC bezel as shown in their website. Now I understand why many of us consider the PF bezel to be the most genlike, because its top view bezel/bevel ratio looks very similar to the rendered gen image. However, the total diameter/bezel diameter ratio of the PF rep is slightly larger than that of the rendered gen which may give a sort of "slenderness" to the PF bezel.

The crown on your 3kf one makes me horny

 

[Cheesegrater]

@grillbrill how close is your blue dial to gen? And is it stock 3kf?

 

[X24222]

for me the most important thing is the color of the dial, and we are very far away with the reps with the exception of the 5712 sw v2 dial which instead is very close. I also think the proportions of the bezel and the crown in the right place are very important.

The PPF v4 blue gets seems decently close on to gen color (but not sunburst)

 

[Empereur]

you have a clear reply by looking the face of the gentleman above phtographed .... most possible that all these watches above presented have exaclty the same shape...

I have no idea what you re trying to explain but stop mentioning me please.
I was just saying to be careful when taking measurements on different photos taken under different conditions. that's all.

 

[grillbrill]

@grillbrill how close is your blue dial to gen? And is it stock 3kf?

Unfortunately I don't know because I haven't seen a gen in person. I think being fully aware of the real color of the gen dial is impossible without seeing it under various lighting conditions IRL. I very like the blue color of my ca. 2 year old PPF v4 dial in my PF v2 base. However the dial totally lacks the much coveted green hue. On the other hand my Buff v1 dial is full of green tint in my 3KF base and its color dynamics is unbeatable. Nonetheless I miss some more blue tone from it. I don't mind the strong sunburst of the Buff v1 dial, which is weaker in v3 and in the SW dials.

 

[yll]

Hi guys.. is the 5711 rep in Jenni Elle video
PPF V4?

 

[Tommygunzzzz]

Hi guys.. is the 5711 rep in Jenni Elle video
PPF V4?

Taking into account latest versions, it does look like PPF to me .. the thing that makes me think this is the lugs don’t have the bevel like 3KF does and the dial colour