Look at the picture above on post number 64 folks. A sure clone it is ! First of all the rotor engraving is just awful. Look at that ! Engraved like a chicken ! Next is the ETA emblem stamping. well ? It is burned in with a laser. Look at the outer burning on the emblem. Black ! It was on fire ! The real thing is clean as a whistle ! Boy do they try hard dont they. Read up and look closely in the very first posts and pictures on this topic. It tells you all. Look closely at the real Swiss ETA. The clones are actually getting worse as the years go by. They think we wont notice or are asleep. Lol !!