Day date -is there a super rep

[Hinclimincli]

Day Date is available in both white gold and platinum
both are SIMILAR (didn't say identical) to SS in terms of color
so an SS DD can pass as white gold or platinum

Well, that is until you hold it in your hands. Weight is completely different.

 

[go000ob]

Well, that is until you hold it in your hands. Weight is completely different.

yupp gold is heavier than steel[emoji1303]
that's why i said they are similar "in terms of color"

 

[Repguy]

from left to right: SS WG YG

Great comparison picture, thanks for that. The SS is close enough to the white gold model that it wouldn't be an obvious tell unless you allowed for close inspection of your watch, which has never happened to me regardless of what rep I was wearing. I think if you wear it moderately, a SS Day-Date would look fine, especially with how those from BP look. Although not technically a super rep, it would look the part and be close enough for many members (myself included).

 

[gamba66]

yupp gold is heavier than steel[emoji1303]
that's why i said they are similar "in terms of color"

Daydate has a completely different case and bracelet endlinkshape than a datejust.

Genuine Rolex Whitegold 18239 weighs approximately 140gr.

My Twbest 18239 weighs 135gr.

genuine 5-digit daydates don't weigh more than approx. 140 grams with all the links on the bracelet.

Why is that? The president bracelet uses hollow center links, the case is machined to be lighter than by having "cutouts" inside and the overall watch is alot smaller than contemporary ones. The hollow center links lead to the famous stretched bracelets of the older daydate generations which Rolex doesnt repair but instead charges thousands of dollars for a new bracelet.

Here a picture of 5-digit 18238 genuine rolex daydate case with the cutouts being clearly visible.

Here a newer Daytona reference (rolex engeaving on the rehaut) with cutouts visible.

Stainless Steel is far superior to any precious metal in terms of durability and scratch resistance.

18k Gold and even platinum is alot softer than stainless steel.

Stainless steel is between 5.5 and 8.5 (depending on The steel and treatment) on the mohs scale while gold and platinum are between 2.5 and 4 (10 is maximum).

https://www.mjewelry.com/Info/Education/Precious-Metals-Guide

Here an article why stainless steel is the best metal for a watch case in terms of durability:

http://quillandpad.com/2016/12/18/heres-stainless-steel-precious-metal/#top

 

[ilikewatchestoo]

Daydate has a completely different case and bracelet endlinkshape than a datejust.

Genuine Rolex Whitegold 18239 weighs approximately 140gr.

My Twbest 18239 weighs 135gr.

genuine 5-digit daydates don't weigh more than approx. 140 grams with all the links on the bracelet.

Why is that? The president bracelet uses hollow center links, the case is machined to be lighter than by having "cutouts" inside and the overall watch is alot smaller than contemporary ones. The hollow center links lead to the famous stretched bracelets of the older daydate generations which Rolex doesnt repair but instead charges thousands of dollars for a new bracelet.

Here a picture of 5-digit 18238 genuine rolex daydate case with the cutouts being clearly visible.

Here a newer Daytona reference (rolex engeaving on the rehaut) with cutouts visible.

Stainless Steel is far superior to any precious metal in terms of durability and scratch resistance.

18k Gold and even platinum is alot softer than stainless steel.

Stainless steel is between 5.5 and 8.5 (depending on The steel and treatment) on the mohs scale while gold and platinum are between 2.5 and 4 (10 is maximum).

https://www.mjewelry.com/Info/Education/Precious-Metals-Guide

Here an article why stainless steel is the best metal for a watch case in terms of durability:

http://quillandpad.com/2016/12/18/heres-stainless-steel-precious-metal/#top

My issue with SS on a DD is that it was never made that way. Sure most wont notice SS vs. WG but I would in an instant. I think it's an instant tell IMO. Whereas the YG on the TW Best is dead on color match to gen. That's just IMO of course.

 

[chr1s60]

My issue with SS on a DD is that it was never made that way. Sure most wont notice SS vs. WG but I would in an instant. I think it's an instant tell IMO. Whereas the YG on the TW Best is dead on color match to gen. That's just IMO of course.

I think this is a watch person thing. No different than anyone that knows watches pointing out a rep vs. a gen. No person that doesn't know specifically about the exact watch is going to have any clue that the watch doesn't come in SS vs. WG. With any rep it's about personal opinion of the wearer and whether or not it is ok with them.

 

[ilikewatchestoo]

I think this is a watch person thing. No different than anyone that knows watches pointing out a rep vs. a gen. No person that doesn't know specifically about the exact watch is going to have any clue that the watch doesn't come in SS vs. WG. With any rep it's about personal opinion of the wearer and whether or not it is ok with them.

I think it depends on where you plan to wear the watch. I can tell you that 99% of people in my office know that a DD does not come in SS but I bet 99% would never call someone out for wearing a YG DD as it would fit in with most of the other watches at my office. Again, as you said, personal opinion of the wearer and their surroundings. If you have seen SS next to WG in person it is a pretty big difference IMO.

 

[gamba66]

I think it depends on where you plan to wear the watch. I can tell you that 99% of people in my office know that a DD does not come in SS but I bet 99% would never call someone out for wearing a YG DD as it would fit in with most of the other watches at my office. Again, as you said, personal opinion of the wearer and their surroundings. If you have seen SS next to WG in person it is a pretty big difference IMO.

Sure SS and whitegold are not the same, if you care about people calling you out wear a genuine. I know the difference between whitegold and SS and for me personally it is not a major factor. Sure whitegold has a slighlty different tone but it is not a real or "natural" color anyways like yellow gold. It is simply gold mixed with different alloys to make it look like whitegold, while yellowgold is mixed with alloys to make it more durable. While Rolex whitegold doesnt need to be rhodiumcoated, even that will turn yellow over time. For me SS only has advantages over the gold (no bracelet stretch, durability, price!, abilitly to polish and brush etc..)

Here a picture of a genuine 18239 bracelet that turned yellow vs a rhodium coated one to achieve the original look.

I could argue the same way that I know people who could definitely tell your daydate isnt a genuine from the gold color alone. While the twbest has a great gold color it is definitely not the same as a rolex yellowgold tone, it is much deeper. Not only because rolex has their own gold foundries but because 18k gold is a slightly different color also. No one really knows what these rep factories use for gold mixtures. And besides that even with wrapping you wont get a watch that has a thicker plating than 20 to 40 microns (probably 30) which is 0.03mm thick (1 micron = 1000th of a millimeter).

Here a genuine rolex and twbest next to each other. The difference in color is very apparent, as the rolex has a much deeper yellowgold tone.

If you want perfection you must go for a genuine daydate. There are other things one could call out as the lugs, while it is very good it is not perfect. It is the best 5-digit daydate replica ever produced though.

 

[ilikewatchestoo]

Sure SS and whitegold are not the same, if you care about people calling you out wear a genuine. I know the difference between whitegold and SS and for me personally it is not a major factor. Sure whitegold has a slighlty different tone but it is not a real or "natural" color anyways like yellow gold. It is simply gold mixed with different alloys to make it look like whitegold, while yellowgold is mixed with alloys to make it more durable. While Rolex whitegold doesnt need to be rhodiumcoated, even that will turn yellow over time. For me SS only has advantages over the gold (no bracelet stretch, durability, price!, abilitly to polish and brush etc..)

Here a picture of a genuine 18239 bracelet that turned yellow vs a rhodium coated one to achieve the original look.

I could argue the same way that I know people who could definitely tell your daydate isnt a genuine from the gold color alone. While the twbest has a great gold color it is definitely not the same as a rolex yellowgold tone, it is much deeper. Not only because rolex has their own gold foundries but because 18k gold is a slightly different color also. No one really knows what these rep factories use for gold mixtures. And besides that even with wrapping you wont get a watch that has a thicker plating than 20 to 40 microns (probably 30) which is 0.03mm thick (1 micron = 1000th of a millimeter).

Here a genuine rolex and twbest next to each other. The difference in color is very apparent, as the rolex has a much deeper yellowgold tone.

If you want perfection you must go for a genuine daydate. There are other things one could call out as the lugs, while it is very good it is not perfect. It is the best 5-digit daydate replica ever produced though.

That is just the lighting. The YG TW Best is DEAD on to the gen color wise. I can attest to this. Even gen Rolex in the same lighting in the same store have this issue. It's how the light hits the links at the angle of the watch. Trust me:

 

[gamba66]

That is just the lighting. The YG TW Best is DEAD on to the gen color wise. I can attest to this. Even gen Rolex in the same lighting in the same store have this issue. It's how the light hits the links at the angle of the watch. Trust me:

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The watch in your pixture is the dd40? Color also looks different in comparison.

I doubt its lightning because the owner made several pictures and on all of them the difference is noticeable.

The difference is probably bot that noticeable when on the wrist in real life but there is a difference. Probably much like whitegold to SS [emoji16]

 

[ilikewatchestoo]

The watch in your pixture is the dd40? Color also looks different in comparison.

I doubt its lightning because the owner made several pictures and on all of them the difference is noticeable.

The difference is probably bot that noticeable when on the wrist in real life but there is a difference. Probably much like whitegold to SS [emoji16]

Yeah it's the DD40 as I had that pic on my phone. I'll post some gen 18238 vs my tw 18238 YG comparison pictures this weekend.

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[gamba66]

Yeah it's the DD40 as I had that pic on my phone. I'll post some gen 18238 vs my tw 18238 YG comparison pictures this weekend.

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Looking forward to that!

Please take them outside in good and natural light. Do not use flash.

 

[By-Tor]

Check my old review out. I still have this rep. It was pretty good back then.

https://forum.replica-watch.info/threads/review-of-rolex-day-date-president-eta-2836-2.31403/

It should have ETA. It's working like a charm and I've never used it. It's like new condition.

I'm 6'3 and been lifting heavy through my whole life. I can't wear it. It looks silly small on my wrist. My wife posed with though.

 

[ilikewatchestoo]

Check my old review out. I still have this rep. It was pretty good back then.

https://forum.replica-watch.info/threads/review-of-rolex-day-date-president-eta-2836-2.31403/

It should have ETA. It's working like a charm and I've never used it. It's like new condition.

I'm 6'3 and been lifting heavy through my whole life. I can't wear it. It looks silly small on my wrist. My wife posed with though.

I'm 6'4 but have a small wrist (7.5) so a 36mm looks classy on me IMO A 40mm or larger would be too much 'bling' for my taste/ wrist size IMO

 

[go000ob]

fellows let's be realistic
white gold and steel are very similar in terms if color.
i said similar not identical
i'm not really convinced that it can be distinguished just by looking at it, without having a gen for comparison.
yes gold is heavier....etc
but c'mon no one is supposed to hold your watch.

 

[gamba66]

fellows let's be realistic
white gold and steel are very similar in terms if color.
i said similar not identical
i'm not really convinced that it can be distinguished just by looking at it, without having a gen for comparison.
yes gold is heavier....etc
but c'mon no one is supposed to hold your watch.

The difference isnt great enough to really argue about and in my case the weight is only off 5 grams because the 5 digit dd is pretty lightweight anyways for the reasons I mentioned above. And even if people could tell I love that my watch will be an individual build, if I wanted gen I would just get that instead

My twbest is currently being frankened with a genuine crown, gen rolex ar + lec crystal and gen rolex black daydate dial.

This is what I am going after (the dial is exactly the same as the one I got just that its super luminova and not tritium)

I will share some pictures once I have the build returned. Cant wait!!!

 

[ilikewatchestoo]

The difference isnt great enough to really argue about and in my case the weight is only off 5 grams because the 5 digit dd is pretty lightweight anyways for the reasons I mentioned above. And even if people could tell I love that my watch will be an individual build, if I wanted gen I would just get that instead

My twbest is currently being frankened with a genuine crown, gen rolex ar + lec crystal and gen rolex black daydate dial.

This is what I am going after (the dial is exactly the same as the one I got just that its super luminova and not tritium)

I will share some pictures once I have the build returned. Cant wait!!!

Going to look great man! Can't wait to see it. What's the ETA? Also surprised you didn't go with gen WG bezel and upgraded hands.

Where did you source the rolex ar + lec crystal ?

 

[gamba66]

Going to look great man! Can't wait to see it. What's the ETA? Also surprised you didn't go with gen WG bezel and upgraded hands.

Where did you source the rolex ar + lec crystal ?

ETA is a month approximately.

I would love to go with gen hands but unfortunately they wont fit on an eta movement. Tudor Dress hands are an alternative but they arent supposed to be that different from the stock twbest or raffles hands as other builders told me.

I will definitely add a WG original fluted bezel, it is just very very hard to find one in a good condition (most are matte or dented, stretched).

Got all my parts from ebay bro! With alot of patience and good research you can find every part there for good prices.

 

[ilikewatchestoo]

ETA is a month approximately.

I would love to go with gen hands but unfortunately they wont fit on an eta movement. Tudor Dress hands are an alternative but they arent supposed to be that different from the stock twbest or raffles hands as other builders told me.

I will definitely add a WG original fluted bezel, it is just very very hard to find one in a good condition (most are matte or dented, stretched).

Got all my parts from ebay bro! With alot of patience and good research you can find every part there for good prices.

Nice work man! Nice that your modder is Germany as well. Should help with customs issues

 

[peterpl]

fellows let's be realistic
white gold and steel are very similar in terms if color.
i said similar not identical
i'm not really convinced that it can be distinguished just by looking at it, without having a gen for comparison.
yes gold is heavier....etc
but c'mon no one is supposed to hold your watch.

This is 100% true. Steel/SS/WG and even platinum are very similar in color in real life. Guys that are saying you can tell from the color alone is either a full time jeweler or talking rubbish there is NO WAY a normal person could tell or would know the difference. I've handled and worn WG/Plat watches for a long long time. The weight on a platinum though is crazy very very heavy.

In terms of the rep DD just get the BP in SS. Avoid the gold ones as you can never get the YG/RG ones exactly the same and as it attracts more attention your watch will be up to more scrutiny. I've owned 3 of the BP DDs now. 1 YG and 2 x RG and even though the color is ok it doesnt feel right (I have this perception of a gold watch needs to have the heft to it). Also the shine is not the same as the gens no matter in the sunlight or night time. The gens just shimmer differently.

If you want to avoid being "called out" and lets face it alot of you guys are pretending to be ballers am I right? just buy the SS models and pretend they are WG/Plat. And get the grey/lighter colored dials.

The chocolate/green and blue dials are not accurate at all.

Ended up with gen DDs anyway as at the end of the day the precious metal reps dont cut it for me. I'll stick to SS model reps from now.