Compare ARF 116710LN with the VRF 116710LN

[lofi]

I'm currently installing a VR3185 into an ARF 116710. I have a gen xtal, datewheel, dial, bezel and insert. Only issue so far is the bezel and insert that i can't manage to install into the ARF...

if you have gen gasket for crystal then it shouldn't be a problem. gen bezel should press on, i just put mine on my ARF yesterday. I'm staying with the 3186 movement as its much easier replacing a click spring than trying to fix a 660 ratchet assembly not to mention cheaper.

 

[KJ2020]

if you have gen gasket for crystal then it shouldn't be a problem. gen bezel should press on, i just put mine on my ARF yesterday. I'm staying with the 3186 movement as its much easier replacing a click spring than trying to fix a 660 ratchet assembly not to mention cheaper.

Are you referring to the bezel gasket (hytrel ring)? The crystal gasket has no bearing on the bezel fit.

 

[lofi]

Are you referring to the bezel gasket (hytrel ring)? The crystal gasket has no bearing on the bezel fit.

inner bezel ring slides onto crystal gasket which holds crystal in place. i line this up and press it on before assembling the 3 pin spring and outer bezel onto it.

 

[KJ2020]

inner bezel ring slides onto crystal gasket which holds crystal in place. i line this up and press it on before assembling the 3 pin spring and outer bezel onto it.

I think by "inner bezel ring", you are referring to the crystal retaining ring. Which would present the same foundation for the bezel regardless of what crystal gasket was used. Using a gen bezel gasket (hytrel ring) on the other hand would impact the success or failure of the bezel install.

 

[jcher]

Thanks to lofi and KJ2020

For info i'm using a GEN bezel gasket (hytrel ring) yet I can't get my GEN bezel and insert to sit correctly on the ARF's case.
I have ordererd a gen crystal retaining ring and 3 pin click ring, hopefully this will work

 

[srhoque]

Thanks to lofi and KJ2020

For info i'm using a GEN bezel gasket (hytrel ring) yet I can't get my GEN bezel and insert to sit correctly on the ARF's case.
I have ordererd a gen crystal retaining ring and 3 pin click ring, hopefully this will work

It is probably something to do with your case geometry. I have a couple 116710 frankens using Noob v10 cases and using gen bezels. None of them needed gen retaining or pin click rings (Noob was good enough). As others have said, you do need the gen hyrtel gasket for the right fit. Good luck with your project!!

 

[jcher]

It is probably something to do with your case geometry. I have a couple 116710 frankens using Noob v10 cases and using gen bezels. None of them needed gen retaining or pin click rings (Noob was good enough). As others have said, you do need the gen hyrtel gasket for the right fit. Good luck with your project!!

Thanks

Now that i have the complete gen bezel assembly together with the crystal retaining the bezel fits on the case however it isn't properly aligned at 12...

 

[KJ2020]

Thanks

Now that i have the complete gen bezel assembly together with the crystal retaining the bezel fits on the case however it isn't properly aligned at 12...

It would be safer to remove the crystal retaining ring and rotate it to try to correct the alignment than to remove and replace the insert from the bezel. PITA I know but less risky.

 

[srhoque]

It would be safer to remove the crystal retaining ring and rotate it to try to correct the alignment than to remove and replace the insert from the bezel. PITA I know but less risky.

Agree. If its gen bezel, the insert is pressure fit. Very hard/risky to remove. None of my watchmakers want to do it.

 

[jcher]

Thanks guys, will try to realign the retaining ring to the crown etc.. as I surely don't want to crack this beautiful gen insert ;-)

 

[jcher]

ARF case and bracelet with :

GEN insert and bezel assembly (minus the retaining ring)
GEN crystal
GEN dial
GEN datewheel
VR3186

The insert is slightly misaligned to the left and I can't get it straight - this drives me nuts. KJ2020 in the end I used ARF's retaining ring as I saw no diff. with the original one maybe that's where I made a mistake...

By the way, ARF's bezel assembly is real good

 

[stufuse]

ARF case and bracelet with :

GEN insert and bezel assembly (minus the retaining ring)
GEN crystal
GEN dial
GEN datewheel
VR3186

By the way, ARF's bezel assembly is real good

Looks really great that


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[KJ2020]

ARF case and bracelet with :

GEN insert and bezel assembly (minus the retaining ring)
GEN crystal
GEN dial
GEN datewheel
VR3186

The insert is slightly misaligned to the left and I can't get it straight - this drives me nuts. KJ2020 in the end I used ARF's retaining ring as I saw no diff. with the original one maybe that's where I made a mistake...

By the way, ARF's bezel assembly is real good

Need to remove the crystal retaining ring and remount it 2-3 degrees clockwise. Or let a watchmaker/modder do it. You know you're going to, lol.

Awesome build bro.

 

[Dissemination]

jcher congrats on no more SEL gap haha

 

[srhoque]

ARF case and bracelet with :

The insert is slightly misaligned to the left and I can't get it straight - this drives me nuts. KJ2020 in the end I used ARF's retaining ring as I saw no diff. with the original one maybe that's where I made a mistake...

By the way, ARF's bezel assembly is real good

Awesome build mate!! Enjoy in good health.

Look like your perseverance paid off. Hope you get the insert lines up properly, good luck!!

 

[DrIch]

ARF case and bracelet with :

GEN insert and bezel assembly (minus the retaining ring)
GEN crystal
GEN dial
GEN datewheel
VR3186

The insert is slightly misaligned to the left and I can't get it straight - this drives me nuts. KJ2020 in the end I used ARF's retaining ring as I saw no diff. with the original one maybe that's where I made a mistake...

By the way, ARF's bezel assembly is real good

Awesome build mate.
Are those vrf hands too?

 

[jumpope]

First. They are both good.

Good about ARF. The 3186 is a 3186 rep where the VR is a 3185 or sort of.

ARF bezel is not so hot. Both are gen spec. So I have 2 crystals in route so I will test both cases. I have a real bezel and after I get them I will use a real hydrel ring and see if the AR or the VRF case is better.

Right now I am leaning to the VRF case. They took care of the lug issues and bracelet issues. So the VRF case fits the ARF bracelet as does the ARF fit the VRF. So the lugs being to tight like the 116610 is taken care of. I did not dismantle the VR because Mike did the write up already. So I did a comparison visually and took apart the ARF.

So the dial looks better on the VRF. The bezel looks better on the VRF color wise but engraving wise the ARF is better. I like the ARF movement better because it is a copy of the rolex 3186. Mike brought out a large fact. The jumping spring is problematic/weak on a real 3186 so just imagine what a rep would look like. That aside you can replace it with a real one. The SH3136 is not dry but is is not so clean as I would like. When it stops I will clean it. Im still on the fence with the AR maybe swap the movement. The crystals on both are not even close. The ARF is a better crystal and clearance and gasket thickness. The VR doest look right to me as far as gasket. Bracelet. ARF is finished better and just feels better. The SEL is not so great but thicker pin springs fixed that in 2 seconds.

Funny thing. The VRF put the model number 126710. So would be great for a batman or new Pepsi. So you know what they are thinking. The ARF is the proper case number of 116710.

Anyway here is pictures. ARF is on the left and VRF on the right. Unless pic shows name.

I have a 16710, I purchased in 1989, with a 3185 in it and the jumping hour hand has been working flawlessly for 30 years. Why wouldn’t the 86 be as good?


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[KJ2020]

I have a 16710, I purchased in 1989, with a 3185 in it and the jumping hour hand has been working flawlessly for 30 years. Why wouldn’t the 86 be as good?


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Gen jumping hour click springs compared

 

[jcher]

Awesome build mate.
Are those vrf hands too?

Yes, VRF's hands

 

[sickopsycho]

I finally got around to servicing the VR3185 in my 116710. Everything went smoothly. Well, I lost a 3185-5115 (itty bitty screw) and a 95019-4 (cap jewel spring)... then found the 95019-4... and got everything back together. Before the service, my GMT hand was not slipping when I used the crown position 2 (jumping hours). Now... it's slipping as some other members have said. I guess I'm looking for a 3185-660 jumping hours module now... and I'm seeing them at ~$160 on the bay. Is that about the right price this part is going for, or should I hold out and look for a better deal?