mmaggi
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I see the BTF sticker but what's really throwing me off is the big mouth on the coronet. We've seen that coronet on Clean Daytonas but never on BTF.
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Clean Factory vs BT Factory - 116500 Panda Daytona - Updated
- Thread starter daytonadude
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And black dytona from Clean is as good as white panda daytona from Clean?
I also like silver dial Daytona. Is it still as good as white clean panda?
Also, I like oysterflex strap.
Ideally, silver dial daytona on oysterflex or blue bezel ( cookie ) Sub from vsf.
But then bezel should be in white gold.
If not plated, can you see the difference between steel and white gold bezel with naked eye?
Ideally, silver dial daytona on oysterflex or blue bezel ( cookie ) Sub from vsf.
But then bezel should be in white gold.
If not plated, can you see the difference between steel and white gold bezel with naked eye?
If you look in the Rolex forum there is a comparison- all your questions will be answered by reading
Do you not read these threads?
Well it is much much easier to just be spoon feed the answers, then actually doing the research
guys you must start a consultancy business for newcomers. 1 hour $ 100 or something. much more effective to scare people away with price then with "read yourself".
Nobody is trying to scare you away. But you are not really contributing anything, when your attitude is "tell me this, tell me that"
Sit down, do a search, read the treads, then ask.... It's not that difficult
I know mine is btf, but just wondering if they changed something or has any updates
Update time!
I have received a gorgeous modded CF with Noob movement, ARF dial, gen pushers, hands and crystal, CF bezel, and heavily reshaped case. Not really discussing the movement here but boy do Noob movements wind smoothly. I’m not sure why this isn’t the case with newer CF and BTF DD4130 movements.
I have compared it to my BTF, which I still think is the best Panda OOTB but not necessarily well suited for modding.
BTF is on the left and I’ve taken photos in the same places and lighting as before to help with the comparison.
Overall, the ARF dial really is something else. It balances the sharpness needed for a Panda dial with a tone that is very lightly cream in some lights and plain white in others. The BTF is really pale in comparison, which I think makes it look more fake, even though it’s probably repping a more modern model. The hour markers are where the ARF really does well, as it gives the dial a sense of dimension and shine that neither the CF nor BTF can do.
The gen crystal is good, but BTF does a great job. Same for the pushers. But I think at this level we’re talking about getting a rep maybe 5-10% better at a high expense to get as close as possible to Gen.
Only thing that I am absolutely adamant about is the case reshaping. Imagine if a case combined the presence of a CF with the sleekness of a BTF. it’s perfectly in the middle, which I didn’t think was possible. The way the case and bracelet meet to make it look like an uninterrupted flow of steel… I love the BTF case but the bottom left and upper right lugs are so sharp that it disturbs the lines and flow of the watch.
I hoped that the recent ZF might be able to get close to this, but I still think there’s room for improvement.
Daylight indoors (hard to accurately capture the dial color for the ARF, it was much less creamy IRL)
Direct artificial light, indoors (last photo shows the pushers side by side for you to compare)
I have received a gorgeous modded CF with Noob movement, ARF dial, gen pushers, hands and crystal, CF bezel, and heavily reshaped case. Not really discussing the movement here but boy do Noob movements wind smoothly. I’m not sure why this isn’t the case with newer CF and BTF DD4130 movements.
I have compared it to my BTF, which I still think is the best Panda OOTB but not necessarily well suited for modding.
BTF is on the left and I’ve taken photos in the same places and lighting as before to help with the comparison.
Overall, the ARF dial really is something else. It balances the sharpness needed for a Panda dial with a tone that is very lightly cream in some lights and plain white in others. The BTF is really pale in comparison, which I think makes it look more fake, even though it’s probably repping a more modern model. The hour markers are where the ARF really does well, as it gives the dial a sense of dimension and shine that neither the CF nor BTF can do.
The gen crystal is good, but BTF does a great job. Same for the pushers. But I think at this level we’re talking about getting a rep maybe 5-10% better at a high expense to get as close as possible to Gen.
Only thing that I am absolutely adamant about is the case reshaping. Imagine if a case combined the presence of a CF with the sleekness of a BTF. it’s perfectly in the middle, which I didn’t think was possible. The way the case and bracelet meet to make it look like an uninterrupted flow of steel… I love the BTF case but the bottom left and upper right lugs are so sharp that it disturbs the lines and flow of the watch.
I hoped that the recent ZF might be able to get close to this, but I still think there’s room for improvement.
Daylight indoors (hard to accurately capture the dial color for the ARF, it was much less creamy IRL)
Direct artificial light, indoors (last photo shows the pushers side by side for you to compare)
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Update time!
I have received a gorgeous modded CF with Noob movement, ARF dial, gen pushers, hands and crystal, CF bezel, and heavily reshaped case. Not really discussing the movement here but boy do Noob movements wind smoothly. I’m not sure why this isn’t the case with newer CF and BTF DD4130 movements.
I have compared it to my BTF, which I still think is the best Panda OOTB but not necessarily well suited for modding.
BTF is on the left and I’ve taken photos in the same places and lighting as before to help with the comparison.
Overall, the ARF dial really is something else. It balances the sharpness needed for a Panda dial with a tone that is very lightly cream in some lights and plain white in others. The BTF is really pale in comparison, which I think makes it look more fake, even though it’s probably repping a more modern model. The hour markers are where the ARF really does well, as it gives the dial a sense of dimension and shine that neither the CF nor BTF can do.
The gen crystal is good, but BTF does a great job. Same for the pushers. But I think at this level we’re talking about getting a rep maybe 5-10% better at a high expense to get as close as possible to Gen.
Only thing that I am absolutely adamant about is the case reshaping. Imagine if a case combined the presence of a CF with the sleekness of a BTF. it’s perfectly in the middle, which I didn’t think was possible. The way the case and bracelet meet to make it look like an uninterrupted flow of steel… I love the BTF case but the bottom left and upper right lugs are so sharp that it disturbs the lines and flow of the watch.
I hoped that the recent ZF might be able to get close to this, but I still think there’s room for improvement.
Daylight indoors (hard to accurately capture the dial color for the ARF, it was much less creamy IRL)
Direct artificial light, indoors (last photo shows the pushers side by side for you to compare)
I still miss my arf v2 wit gen coronet
Maybe I am getting too crazy and start thinking about it too much. But it looks to me that VSF crystal on Sub with date is visibly "foggy" when you look at 45 degrees angle or something. It's not perfectly clear. In gen I also saw this effect, but for some reason I have feeling its more visible on VSF.
Is it because I am getting crazy? Not to mention number "3" in VSD date has too fat middle compared to gen.
So I started to think that maybe Clean Daytona is "closer" to gen, at least because of better.
Then I checked black dial Daytona comparison and they say Clean crystal is the worse. Also they found differences in sundial colours.
So I am back to confusion. Which model to take to be closer to gen.
In one of the reviews they said green DJ is very close.
Its horrible to cannot choose
Mate, just stop posting "i am so confused and indecisive"all over the place.Maybe I am getting too crazy and start thinking about it too much. But it looks to me that VSF crystal on Sub with date is visibly "foggy" when you look at 45 degrees angle or something. It's not perfectly clear. In gen I also saw this effect, but for some reason I have feeling its more visible on VSF.
Is it because I am getting crazy? Not to mention number "3" in VSD date has too fat middle compared to gen.
So I started to think that maybe Clean Daytona is "closer" to gen, at least because of better.
Then I checked black dial Daytona comparison and they say Clean crystal is the worse. Also they found differences in sundial colours.
So I am back to confusion. Which model to take to be closer to gen.
In one of the reviews they said green DJ is very close.
Its horrible to cannot choose
It's not true. The truth is that you are looking for a gen for the price of an OOTB rep.
Please. Stop it. Because it is impossible.
To be brutally honest, you are paying 2-3% of the gen price on a rep, and you are concerned about "foggy"? Change a gen crystal then. If you are really concerned about the look, many people here, myself included, spent thousands on gen parts to make it more authentic, perhaps you should consider it too.Maybe I am getting too crazy and start thinking about it too much. But it looks to me that VSF crystal on Sub with date is visibly "foggy" when you look at 45 degrees angle or something. It's not perfectly clear. In gen I also saw this effect, but for some reason I have feeling its more visible on VSF.
Is it because I am getting crazy? Not to mention number "3" in VSD date has too fat middle compared to gen.
So I started to think that maybe Clean Daytona is "closer" to gen, at least because of better.
Then I checked black dial Daytona comparison and they say Clean crystal is the worse. Also they found differences in sundial colours.
So I am back to confusion. Which model to take to be closer to gen.
In one of the reviews they said green DJ is very close.
Its horrible to cannot choose
Good things come with a price. In this game, it's high.