One last thing on expensive reps... why are seemingly little things ignored (e.g. can pins on pams) when it would be just as easy to provide the correct pins, fonts, depth water resist etc.
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Big price jump on reps?
- Thread starter doctorron
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Have you tried buying an ETA movement through the secondary market recently? At an educated guess, I'd say no.316L said:
ETA prices are going up. Why? Because people are stockpiling and this means less surplus movements. Our replicas are made from surplus movements and supply isn't meeting demand. Economics 101: supply, demand, prices.
To demonstrate, the price on an ETA 7750 has increased by $100 on OFREI. An ETA 2836 is more expensive on Cousins. All this is in the last few weeks or months.
While ETA is charging the same as they always did, the market wants more than they're producing. We're secondary or tertiary market so we get humped by speculators and middle-men.
After 2010, complete movements will still be available, but only to members of the Swatch group.
Looks like we should encourage our dealers to raise their prices by a large margin.
That way, they can stockpile movements to have them available for reps once the source dries up.
That way, they can stockpile movements to have them available for reps once the source dries up.
316L said:
pugwash said:
Pug, I really want to ask how many real ETA 7750 in reps nowadays? I mean most reps we can find from dealers from this forum are using Asian versions of ETA movements. And it's not hard to find that Asian 7750 can go as high as $300+...e.g. Daytona. I totally agreed your point with actual ETA caliber. And I’m sure that's one of the reason why gen ETA movement watches (e.g pam.omega,etc) $ are going up. But for the cost of making reps? I guess it's not the point about how much it cost inside the watch (most rep use very similar movement (e.g. 7750, 21J, etc), but rather the "cosmetic cost" of the “lookâ€
If ETA movements become soo rare then maybe we can expect to see more asian copies out there. Maybe two variants or grades of asian movements...Or better yet well see watch prices go down a bit, considering in the enar future ETA powered reps will sell for $400+
i think the whole ETA deal is more hype than anything.
I'm certain many of you would prefer a relaible asian moevemt with say..ETA-like or better fonts.
Than paying the extra 100-200 for a "real" ETA
i think the whole ETA deal is more hype than anything.
I'm certain many of you would prefer a relaible asian moevemt with say..ETA-like or better fonts.
Than paying the extra 100-200 for a "real" ETA
One year ago an ETA 2824 from Ofrie was around $80.00 now they are selling for $124.00 seconds @ 3 and $112.00 for seconds @ 6 movements. The 2801 which is a manual movement and in less demand is $ 69.00 up from $50.00 a year ago and probably next week or month they will be even higher...oh well when the surplus dries up the movements will all be dried out. :roll:
pugwash said:
yes of course i did :lol:
and you are wrong. an eta 7750 is more expensive than an eta 2836 :!:
AND :!: they aren't wholesaler conditions.
anybody who take a specific number of items get wholesaler conditions,
anybody with (in german: gewerbenachweis!) i don't know in english, maybe "industrial arts".
:arrow: and thats a fact.
did you ever see an oyster walk upstairs? :lol:
it's pure romance.
read it again...
the LINKS, please ...
take
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr
and
http://www.dict.cc/?l=d
to translate it, if you don't understand german. :idea:
http://www.weko.admin.ch/publikationen/ ... df?lang=de
raw movements (ébauches) = piece parts / assembly / construction set / building kit
you need it to ennoble a peace or some pieces of a movement.
you will get after 2010 the "whole" movement, no problem. :wink:
:arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow:
NO PRICE RISES!!! :idea:
that's a BIG BIG BIG BAREFACED LIE ! [smilie=angry8.gif]
rule 1: don't trust the storys of the dealers.
to investigate it yourself:
http://www.nzz.ch/
http://www.swiss-press.com/
http://www.help.ch/index.cfm
http://www.weko.admin.ch/suche/index.ht ... ywords=eta
:arrow: :arrow: :arrow:
and by the way...
the !tourist price! for a noobmariner with an eta 2836-2 in guangzhou is round about $65.
any questions...?
thanks :wink:
Yes, quite true.. and
for a noobmariner price, you can buy for USD $25-30 if you know where to look.. over the internet..
less if you buy in quantity.. of course, there is the WU charge of $14, and the shippijng of around $15
still cheaper than getting on a plane to gz.. lol
dealers need to make a buck or two, no doubt.
Life is Good!
K
for a noobmariner price, you can buy for USD $25-30 if you know where to look.. over the internet..
less if you buy in quantity.. of course, there is the WU charge of $14, and the shippijng of around $15
still cheaper than getting on a plane to gz.. lol
dealers need to make a buck or two, no doubt.
Life is Good!
K
:arrow: AND :!:
if you will buy the same watches from
andrew + joshua (prices are going up) -you will pay -
$188 up to 218 eta sub.
$188 up to 218 eta sub. lv (joshua $188 up to 248)
http://www.perfectclones88.com/rlss1000 ... -1023.html
shame on you guys :evil:
if you will buy the same watches from
andrew + joshua (prices are going up) -you will pay -
$188 up to 218 eta sub.
$188 up to 218 eta sub. lv (joshua $188 up to 248)
http://www.perfectclones88.com/rlss1000 ... -1023.html
shame on you guys :evil:
What I have been told by Chinese dealers (2) is there are no "Factories".
A Watchmaker will buy parts from all over China from different suppliers, (none of which are made in Switzerland BTW) and hire assemblers. The watchmaker oversees everything and is the only one who has any clue about watch making. Everyone working assembly is clueless.
I'm not saying I know this as fact, or that it's true, just what I have been told.
A Watchmaker will buy parts from all over China from different suppliers, (none of which are made in Switzerland BTW) and hire assemblers. The watchmaker oversees everything and is the only one who has any clue about watch making. Everyone working assembly is clueless.
I'm not saying I know this as fact, or that it's true, just what I have been told.
There's posts on the web about shenzhen watch factories, just do a search and they pop up real fast. It's just that getting into one probably is a task in itself, they seem to be pretty underground and they don't want the general public knowing who runs the place.
sub4me said:There are hundreds of models to choose from all well within the $100-$300 range for auto some even lower. For example.
Now consider this, its a Japan Citizen/Miyota 21J that will out last a 21J Asian by far and runs much smoother, its has a real warranty, ships within the states or elsewhere, has guaranteed 316L SS, real plating which the manufacturer guarantees for the life of the product, you get the idea. Ok it doesn't say Rolex, so what (I actually like the Invicta logo) but you what know else it doesn't come from a drop shipper, returns are easy, its not pos, compare that to a now way overpriced rep thats has no guarantee, poor QC, shitty delivery from overseas, bad dealer attitude (not all), and just plan crappy watches. The picture become very clear. I'll take a nice Invicta, a Seiko 5, and the list goes on.
Thats going to fall on deaf ears!
I would bet you most of our users have no other exposure to watches than these rep forums and it is a shame too!
For the kind of money these dealers want for watches around here you can buy a lot of genuine watch on the light side! The price jump really hasn't hurt me any since I pretty much walked away from dealer purchases when our larger dealers walked away from paypal and I am not missing the excitement of waiting for replicas to arrive anymore :roll:
I've spent a bit of money on EL and River since then but mostly now just used stuff out of the member sales section.
I see no reason why I should help our dealers buy their next genuine watch when I can just save my money and buy my own a bit sooner!
Since I gave up my Crack... um I mean Replica habbit I have bought genuine:
MarcelloC x2
Damasko
Omega x2
Rolex -bought and sold, my rep is just as nice as the real one.
plus a horde of others including the Invictas you mention sub4me!
And don't get me started about Seiko's you can buy one for every day of the month for what three replicas cost today and every single one will come with all the parts attached, all the words spelled correctly, all the hands attached, and each and every one will arrive in great working order each and every Seiko is guaranteed Polonium, Melamine, and lead paint free! Try saying that about your rep collection if you manage to collect 30 of them!
Silly rabit replicas are for kids! Come on over to the light side! :wink:
Sorry people but to each his own...how to spend money is a issue that can ever discussed because everyone has his own silly ideas... I have reps... others have cars.... or expensive clothes...hifi stuff...whatever..
I hear ya crow and I'm already with ya. My latest gens being a Z Rolex DateJust, a PO Black 42mm, and I just got Raymond Weil, and the Invictas I've been picking up a JcPenneys couldn't be happier. 8)
Yeah I dunno I'm planning on buying a genuine watch but everyone keeps telling me to buy it an automatic if I spend that much money. I have so many rep automatic watches with swiss movement inside it is rediculous, why would I need another one? A quartz watch does just fine and with a swiss case and all, it isn't all that bad. But to find a time piece that looks decent on a rep forum that you can put down and not worry about it winding down is close to impossible. So I might buy this quartz watch from a gen dealer, or I might just get a gen PO or something but I know a guy who has a genuine Omega watch and had it for 4 years and the movement stops. A $100 seiko generally doesn't do that. Automatics are suppose to be serviced every 3 years but I know people with rolex that are over 10 years old who are too cheapass to service them and they still run fine. People making $50k a year wearing rolex generally do not get them serviced, these are the same people who would go buy a used jaguar with like 200k miles on it and can't afford anything except a set of tires for the thing.
piratedzeus said:
I'm not saying anybody is "wrong" buying a $100.00 replica for $350.00
I'm must saying if it's getting too expensive here wander over to the light side to scratch the itch :wink:
And Quartz watches are not watches, any more than a Big Mac is a hamburger!
I don't read German...316L said:
... but I do read French. :lol:
http://www.weko.admin.ch/publikationen/ ... df?lang=fr
Did you get the undertone that only the Swiss watch industry will have access to ETA movements or did you miss that subtlety? They can stop selling ebauches and movements right now to anyone outside of Swizerland.
seraphe said:
definitely a factor - the RMB is likely at least 15% undetvalued - even today - oh, and there's some wage pressures in CN.
Get you fav reps now - in 10 years they're not going to be as good a buy as today (even after accounting for inflation).
sorry pugwash, no they can't.
what do you know about the "Wettbewerbskommission (Weko)"
or what is a "Wettbewerbskommission (Weko)" ?
don't speculate or dream up.
you will get after 2010 the "whole" movement, no problem.
what do you know about the "Wettbewerbskommission (Weko)"
or what is a "Wettbewerbskommission (Weko)" ?
don't speculate or dream up.
you will get after 2010 the "whole" movement, no problem.