APSF just released their AP 15500 with SA4302 Super Clone Movement!!!

[Fettekatze]

Just posted today, a head to head comparaison video between the APS and the ZF 15500. Interesting video as we can see the differences between the two models, especially focusing on the blue dial.

Here is the link of the video: https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1NN4y1T7ia

Cheers.

I know limited Mandarin, especially when it deals with watch terminology, but here's what I got:

-APSF is 10.3-10.4mm thick, zame as gen. ZF is 0.4mm thicker.
-Instant date change function works well.
-All the gears and screws are real. None are decorative.
-ZF hands may be slightly better.
-Case and bracelet are the same quality.
-Bezel screw fitment on this APSF is a bit poor close up. (I know ZF had this issue before as well, but my recent ZF 15500 has great bezel screw fitment. Also the QC photo in the previous post shows good bezel screw fitment)
-The tapisserie relief is deeper and more textured in the APSF than the ZF.
-He prefers the APSF black, blue, grey, white, in that order. The blue is darker than ZF. Gen-closeness aside, I prefer the darker APSF blue over the lighter ZF blue. Grey is darker than ZF or gen, lacks the slight brownness of the ZF, very close to the black. White is too matte and flat.

In comparison to gen blue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUOV0dp2eqo

That APSF blue looks great in that video though....may need to give up my ZF grey for that...

 

[GGEuroHEADSHOT]

When will somebody release a 39mm 15202 with a clone movement that’s what I’m looking for

 

[Fettekatze]

When will somebody release a 39mm 15202 with a clone movement that’s what I’m looking for

I don't know if you'd want a completely clone 15202 movement. The gen has no quick-set date function. Which means if it's the 20th and you want to set it to the 19th, you have to move the hour hand forwards 60 whole revolutions. The rep has quick-set date which is arguably superior lol.

 

[legend]

I don't know if you'd want a completely clone 15202 movement. The gen has no quick-set date function. Which means if it's the 20th and you want to set it to the 19th, you have to move the hour hand forwards 60 whole revolutions. The rep has quick-set date which is arguably superior lol.

Lets do the math sir:

20th to 21st, assuming 0000hrs (20th), will be 2 revolutions.
After which, 21st to 19th (29 days), date will be changed by reversing the hour hand to 9 o'clock, or 1/4 of a revolution, plus 1/4 forward again to change the date. So that is a total of 1/2 dial revolution. (Or the smartass can say 1/4 back and 1/4 forward cancels each other lol). so 0.5*29 = 14.5 revolutions.
14.5 + 2 = 16.5 revolutions to change the date from 20th to 19th.
On a quickset date watch, you will set the hands to 6:30 and just turn the date 62 (31x2) rounds from 20th to 19th. Which makes it mathematically less efficient. :legend:

I am only joking. I completely agree with you, the 15202 K2121 movement is outdated for me too.

 

[Fettekatze]

Lets do the math sir:

20th to 21st, assuming 0000hrs (20th), will be 2 revolutions.
After which, 21st to 19th (29 days), date will be changed by reversing the hour hand to 9 o'clock, or 1/4 of a revolution, plus 1/4 forward again to change the date. So that is a total of 1/2 dial revolution. (Or the smartass can say 1/4 back and 1/4 forward cancels each other lol). so 0.5*29 = 14.5 revolutions.
14.5 + 2 = 16.5 revolutions to change the date from 20th to 19th.
On a quickset date watch, you will set the hands to 6:30 and just turn the date 62 (31x2) rounds from 20th to 19th. Which makes it mathematically less efficient. :legend:

I am only joking. I completely agree with you, the 15202 K2121 movement is outdated for me too.

Ah, didn't know you can do that. A little less annoying than doing full revolutions but still quite more work than quick-set. Takes way less turning of the crown to advance the date by one than to move the hour hand forward 3hrs then back.

 

[legend]

Ah, didn't know you can do that. A little less annoying than doing full revolutions but still quite more work than quick-set. Takes way less turning of the crown to advance the date by one than to move the hour hand forward 3hrs then back.

Yes sir. In reality, it is a very outdated date change system as opposed to just quicksetting the date.
You were not wrong about that.

 

[asanibal]

Lets do the math sir:

20th to 21st, assuming 0000hrs (20th), will be 2 revolutions.
After which, 21st to 19th (29 days), date will be changed by reversing the hour hand to 9 o'clock, or 1/4 of a revolution, plus 1/4 forward again to change the date. So that is a total of 1/2 dial revolution. (Or the smartass can say 1/4 back and 1/4 forward cancels each other lol). so 0.5*29 = 14.5 revolutions.
14.5 + 2 = 16.5 revolutions to change the date from 20th to 19th.
On a quickset date watch, you will set the hands to 6:30 and just turn the date 62 (31x2) rounds from 20th to 19th. Which makes it mathematically less efficient. :legend:

I am only joking. I completely agree with you, the 15202 K2121 movement is outdated for me too.

Ok… 16202 then

 

[nycrolex]

puretime when will they or ZF release the two tone version?

 

[Tobel]

puretime when will they or ZF release the two tone version?

I don't think there's a 2 tone version of the 15500 in gen

 

[nycrolex]

I don't think there's a 2 tone version of the 15500 in gen

You're right. Meant the 15400

 

[Nono92]

The quick date change has been desactivated on 15202 ZF. I thought there was a problem but ZF wanted to make it like gen

 

[Swiss_goupil]

DW on this doesn’t seem bad at all on those QCs


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[Yacht-Monster]

So who is going for this and who is impatiently waiting for ZF to release a version with the clone movement? I'm waiting for ZF but how long can I last :laugh:

 

[Tiger4]

So who is going for this and who is impatiently waiting for ZF to release a version with the clone movement? I'm waiting for ZF but how long can I last :laugh:

On the same boat as you chief

 

[DustyDude]

DW on this doesn’t seem bad at all on those QCs


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ordered it....its pre-order anyway...if ZF comes up with one int hea meantime... I ll switch...

 

[Yacht-Monster]

This APSF 15500 or the ZF 15400 with the A3120, this is a question I've been wrestling with over the last few days. Anyone here got the ZF 15400 with the 3120 clone? If so, are you thinking this is superior? I know taste is subjective, but I'm dying over here!!!

 

[legend]

This APSF 15500 or the ZF 15400 with the A3120, this is a question I've been wrestling with over the last few days. Anyone here got the ZF 15400 with the 3120 clone? If so, are you thinking this is superior? I know taste is subjective, but I'm dying over here!!!

My opinion (and remember its only an opinion) is that if you want a very awesome looking AP Royal Oak on your wrist, which functions like the gen (date change wise), get the 15500 clone, get the gen dial installed (or a ZF dial), get the watch refinished, and you have a watch which can pass off as a gen on the streets. I am not saying anyone should buy this and pass it on as a gen for whatever purpose, but it can be passed off as a gen visually once certain things are done for this 15500 with clone movement, and minor things at that.

 

[nycrolex]

who can refinish the watch on here?

 

[mech500]

I personally wouldn’t recommend messing around with the machine produced factory finish but up to you - try to enjoy them out the box.


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[legend]

who can refinish the watch on here?

There are a few modders who can. Just choose whomever you like. I won’t recommend anyone specifically as we are discussing the watch, and not promoting any specific modder here