APSF and ZF Royal Oak 15500 w 4302 clone caliber

[bunny123]

Hey guys need some help , this is supposed to be apsf 15500 with latest dial , but to me dial looks super flat? Maybe the lighting is not right , also DW seems to be sitting low , or could be the angle , I’ve asked for more pictures for the dw

 

[Reaps]

Hey guys need some help , this is supposed to be apsf 15500 with latest dial , but to me dial looks super flat? Maybe the lighting is not right , also DW seems to be sitting low , or could be the angle , I’ve asked for more pictures for the dw

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It is the updated dial, easy tell is that the updated dial's pattern partially extends to the left side of the watch as you can see in the pic below. The non-updated dial stops abruptly before that part, posted it as well below on the right.

 

[BillyMadison]

Hey guys need some help , this is supposed to be apsf 15500 with latest dial , but to me dial looks super flat? Maybe the lighting is not right , also DW seems to be sitting low , or could be the angle , I’ve asked for more pictures for the dw

I agree that it looks kinda flat in these photos. My black dial did as well. I think it's just the lighting. Still waiting on mine to arrive, but I'm optimistic they'll look great in person.

I think the DW thing is probably just the angle, but no harm in asking for more photos if you're concerned. My initial QC photos were zoomed out so far that I couldn't see the dial texture at all. I asked for better photos and got much better ones a couple days later.

 

[suppish]

It is the updated dial, easy tell is that the updated dial's pattern partially extends to the left side of the watch as you can see in the pic below. The non-updated dial stops abruptly before that part, posted it as well below on the right.

Interesting observation but from online pics of gens, the tapesserie doesn’t seem to extend to the edges either. Been a while since I had a gen in hand so can’t check. Perhaps legend can confirm?

 

[speedywombat]

Interesting observation but from online pics of gens, the tapesserie doesn’t seem to extend to the edges either. Been a while since I had a gen in hand so can’t check. Perhaps legend can confirm?

They do. Here are all gens.

 

[legend]

Interesting observation but from online pics of gens, the tapesserie doesn’t seem to extend to the edges either. Been a while since I had a gen in hand so can’t check. Perhaps legend can confirm?

There are variations for this. I owned a 15500 which the dial tapisseries do not extend to the edge as well.
Its not a tell.

 

[Woundup]

Hey guys need some help , this is supposed to be apsf 15500 with latest dial , but to me dial looks super flat? Maybe the lighting is not right , also DW seems to be sitting low , or could be the angle , I’ve asked for more pictures for the dw

I'd give that one the GL if it were mine... Agree that the DW looks a little low (could be angle) but the rest of the watch looks superb. Excellent alignment all round to my eye. I also think that the lighting is making the dial seem a little flat - the sun will wake things up drastically.

 

[bunny123]

I'd give that one the GL if it were mine... Agree that the DW looks a little low (could be angle) but the rest of the watch looks superb. Excellent alignment all round to my eye. I also think that the lighting is making the dial seem a little flat - the sun will wake things up drastically.

gl'ed already bro

 

[speedywombat]

gl'ed already bro

It's a beautiful watch. You won't regret it! Here's how it looks on overcast

 

[Roguetheory]

Haven’t got the watch back in hand yet, but just had my APSF 15500 modded. Movement serviced/rotor silenced, along with a case, bracelet, bezel re-brush/polish, with a bezel screw polish/alignment. Looking forward to receiving it this week.

 

[AAA US]

I recieved my apsf 15500 (black dial) a few days ago. Did not know what to expect, a ’little’ work done on it. I have to say I was blown away when I saw it. It looks amazing.
I personally enjoy the watch for wath it is. I am aware its not a gen. I have a few gen watches, but this one looks absolutly amazing.
Gen or rep, does not matter to me. However, for does that look for a so called gen look. I am not an expert, and I dont think many people are. Its so difficult to tell the difference. A speciall shout out to the modders. Their work is amazing. Legendary work done on mine.

Can post a few pics later

 

[AAA US]

Not the best pics, it looks much better in real life. Also, the bracelet looks perfect, amazing work. However, I enjoy the rubber straps so I had it changed.

 

[BillyMadison]

I just unboxed my new APSF this morning and I'm happy with it. There's a brilliance to this watch that I did not appreciate from QC photos and is unlike the other pieces in my collection.

Maybe it's just the lighting, but I think my black dial is a bit lighter than @AAA US. I'm impressed with the overall brushing/finishing. The bracelet is a little rough on the edges, so I bought a polishing stick to smooth it a bit.

As noted in my post with my QC pics, I was a little concerned about the 6 o'clock alignment. It may be slightly right of center, but you have to study it. I don't think it'd be worth it to try to adjust it.

The bezel screw alignment/height looks pretty good to me (though I've never seen a gen in person).

Really quite happy with it. Took just under two weeks to receive in CONUS from Intime.

 

[BillyMadison]

After spending all morning staring at this piece, I'm not sure they didn't send me a grey dial. I triple-checked my order, invoice, and the box that the watch came with. It all supports this being a black dial, but the color is so much lighter than the photos of a black dial that @AAA US shared, and frankly the color looks a lot more similar to the grey dial 15400 (i know, different model altogether, but still) that @speedywomis selling and what I could find online of grey dial 15500s. No matter the light, and regardless of how nice it is overall, I'm just not seeing black in this watch dial.

@legend - sir, in your expert opinion, does this seem like the variation in dial color seen in both reps and gens, or does it seem possible they sent me the wrong one?

 

[speedywombat]

After spending all morning staring at this piece, I'm not sure they didn't send me a grey dial. I triple-checked my order, invoice, and the box that the watch came with. It all supports this being a black dial, but the color is so much lighter than the photos of a black dial that @AAA US shared, and frankly the color looks a lot more similar to the grey dial 15400 (i know, different model altogether, but still) that @speedywomis selling and what I could find online of grey dial 15500s. No matter the light, and regardless of how nice it is overall, I'm just not seeing black in this watch dial.

@legend - sir, in your expert opinion, does this seem like the variation in dial color seen in both reps and gens, or does it seem possible they sent me the wrong one?

That's definitely a gray dial 15500

 

[speedywombat]

Sorry, not an expert opinion as your code in the box 15500ST.03 does correspond to black dial. But from your photos it definitely looks much closer to gray than black.

This is a gen black 15510 (I know, different model again, but it looks noticeably different than the gray one that I have)

 

[68snoopy]

After spending all morning staring at this piece, I'm not sure they didn't send me a grey dial. I triple-checked my order, invoice, and the box that the watch came with. It all supports this being a black dial, but the color is so much lighter than the photos of a black dial that @AAA US shared, and frankly the color looks a lot more similar to the grey dial 15400 (i know, different model altogether, but still) that @speedywomis selling and what I could find online of grey dial 15500s. No matter the light, and regardless of how nice it is overall, I'm just not seeing black in this watch dial.

@legend - sir, in your expert opinion, does this seem like the variation in dial color seen in both reps and gens, or does it seem possible they sent me the wrong one?

It does look like a darker shade of grey.

 

[BillyMadison]

Sorry, not an expert opinion as your code in the box 15500ST.03 does correspond to black dial. But from your photos it definitely looks much closer to gray than black.

This is a gen black 15510 (I know, different model again, but it looks noticeably different than the gray one that I have)

I appreciate your perspective as someone with black and grey AP reps. I didn't realize you also had a gen black dial, very nice! I'm convinced they sent me grey. The date wheel, as it obviously doesn't have the texture playing tricks with the light, seems to be the most accurate place to judge color. It is definitely grey.

This while thing is a bit ironic because at one time I was going to buy the grey and only settled on black after spending a week or so reading as much as I could about these watches. I also asked the TD to confirm that this was the updated black dial upon receiving my initial QC photos because the dial didn't look as deep a black as I'd seen elsewhere. When they confirmed, I figured it was just the lighting in the QC photos . I guess maybe they only confirmed that the box was correct. Perhaps the mix up occurred at the factory...



All of that aside, the grey doesn't seem that far off to my novice eyes. I haven't been able to assess the sunburst effect yet, but the color looks fairly close to my eyes.

Gen:

 

[legend]

After spending all morning staring at this piece, I'm not sure they didn't send me a grey dial. I triple-checked my order, invoice, and the box that the watch came with. It all supports this being a black dial, but the color is so much lighter than the photos of a black dial that @AAA US shared, and frankly the color looks a lot more similar to the grey dial 15400 (i know, different model altogether, but still) that @speedywomis selling and what I could find online of grey dial 15500s. No matter the light, and regardless of how nice it is overall, I'm just not seeing black in this watch dial.

@legend - sir, in your expert opinion, does this seem like the variation in dial color seen in both reps and gens, or does it seem possible they sent me the wrong one?

IMHO they sent you a grey 15500, which has the wrong shade of grey vs gen. So you have a dial now which is too light vs black and too dark vs grey.

 

[BillyMadison]

IMHO they sent you a grey 15500, which has the wrong shade of grey vs gen. So you have a dial now which is too light vs black and too dark vs grey.

Thanks for weighing in and confirming! I contacted the TD earlier today to see about getting the black one. As much as I think this one is nicely made, I think I really want the contrast of the black dial. I guess we'll see...