AP Royal Oak 15400: Comparison between Gen, BP and Angus Versions (picture heavy!!)

[TastyTreats]

u guys spend too much money on watches
, u just CANT do that , even if i have the extra money , i feel very very guilty , i feel like spending 400 a month for watches is just too much ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh help me guys! help me !

Got to sell before you can buy and make that cash money !

 

[PecMan]

i didnt get it helppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp helpppppppppppppppppppppppppppp

 

[TastyTreats]

ahh pec man - I can help.

TT Philosophy .....

I like many bought too many watches one for every day of the month.

Now the collection is down to a top 5.

I will only sell one to buy another one. I mean really how many do you need ?

Kapish ?

 

[Edgematic]

Same here, I sell one and buy one. Max 8 pieces in the box. It has no sense having 30 pieces .


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[altikirkbess]

what is bp ? how can ? find this watch which site ?

 

[Doud]

Just a question guys, does anyone know if the ap bands conversion kits or any other cheaper alternatives would fit angus' or BP's new 15400s?
I love this watch but I would want to put it on a leather strap.

Thanks

Anyone?

 

[TastyTreats]

what is bp ? how can ? find this watch which site ?

www.bp.com

bp stands for 'British Petroleum' - BP is a global gas and oil company that has it headquarters in London, United Kingdom. The company is the world's third largest energy company and is ranked fourth based on its revenues.

More recently, they designed and released a replica watch line to compete in the rep watch market. Bold ambitions I know.

Suggestion find out more about them by taking yourself to the front page of the forum and do some reading.

Remember you're looking for the words 'British Petroleum'.

 

[TastyTreats]

Anyone?

Best to ask Angus or a Strapmaker.

 

[Rubberj00]

ahh pec man - I can help.

TT Philosophy .....

I like many bought too many watches one for every day of the month.

Now the collection is down to a top 5.

I will only sell one to buy another one. I mean really how many do you need ?

Kapish ?

Agreed - also do this (try to).

Found myself at 15+ reps, sold down to 4 early this year, have a 6 holder reiner box so set my limit at 6, went back up to 6. Just ordered 2 more :wyliehelp: so need to get rid of 2.. it's just a matter of not being a lazy fack and putting them up, may take a month or so haha. Can't decide what to go!


I use categories so, e.g:
Daily beater - AP diver/HBB SS
Suit watch - AP RO 15400
Rose gold watch - HBB RG
Special occasions watch - AP RGRC
Go-to for most accurate.. etc' the problem is the list just seems to get bigger :hehehe:.


If you're not a lazy bastard like me though the selling to buy is definitely the perfect method. I tell myself all the time to sell all of them and just live with 2, maybe 3 and that will be best option, because you really could easily cope with only 3 watches obviously even less but then i'm just like well why would I, I don't need to so may aswell keep them.

Meh, whatever makes you happy :cheese:

 

[TastyTreats]

Rubberj00 - well said my friend. well said.

 

[PecMan]

oh , so u guys fooled , i thought u guys had like 30 watches ,
yeap i have been doing , i have like 8 replicas , been buying and selling like u said
but i think 8 is not enough

 

[Turbo350z]

oh , so u guys fooled , i thought u guys had like 30 watches ,
yeap i have been doing , i have like 8 replicas , been buying and selling like u said
but i think 8 is not enough

8 is a good number. One for each day of the week and a back up incase you have to send one out to get work done.


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[set2374]

I have been seeing a lot of qc pictures of the Angus version popping up of the forums for comments. The more I see them the more it seems that the flaws I identified in the preproduction version were not just a preproduction issue and is evident in the final version. I also think qualities that people are.using.to.base tbeir decision to by the angus version over the BP are being overstated.

First, the bezel screws on the Angus version are entirely incorrect. The notches in the bezel screws on the Angus version are both way too wide and way too shallow. This is noticeable to anyone that is familiar with the 15400.

Second, the problem with screw design is made more obvious by the fact that the bezel screws are too long. The bezel screw should be recessed, but on the Angus version they seem to either sick out or are flush with the bezel. It seems that this problem cannot be fixed by simply tighten the screw on the case back--or we wouldn't be seeing this in so many QC photos. So, this is likely a design issue. These two issues though combine to amplify the problem. The bezel screws on the BP version are consistently good.

Third, the Date window on the BP is correct and well formed. On the BP version, the DW itself is also properly alligned and the print is sharp and font is correct. The Angus version has a sloppy Date Window cut out and the date wheel seems to ride high and to the left. This issue is evident in most examples I have seen.

Fourth, every BP dial I have seen looks very clean. The markers are straight as is the AP logo. On the QC photos of the Angus version, more than half the time the logo is crooked. People seem to think the angus version's dial colors or more accurate, but this is hard to tell in pictures. Moreover, even if this statement is true, you can only see this difference if you have the gen and rep side by side. How often is that going to happen? Never!

Fifth, the Angus version is 1mm thinner (which is very close to gen), but the 1mm difference is only noticable if you have both gen and side by side on a table or on your hand. This is not noticeable on the wrist. I also think that the extra 1mm in the case thickness may have given BP the room it needed to get the recessed bezel screws right.

Assuming you are willing to polish rehaut and that the moments are of comparable quality, I am growing more convinced that the BP version it's the better value and better watch overall.

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[gaizka]

I have been seeing a of qc pictures of the Angus version popping up of the forums for comments. The more I see them the more or seems that the flaws I indentified in the preproduction version were not just a issue that was limited or wildfires by the fact that the watch was a sample. These issues seem to be common to the watch in the final version. I also think qualities that people are.using.to.base tbeir decision to by the angus version over the BP are.being overstated.

First, the bezel screws on the Angus version are entirely incorrect. The notches in the bezel screws on the Angus version are both way too wide and way too shallow. This is noticeable to anyone that is familiar with the 15400.

Second, the problem with screw design is made more obvious by the fact that the bezel screws are too long. The bezel screw should be recessed, but on the Angus version they seem to either sick out or are flush with the bezel. It seems that this.problem cannot be fixed by simply tighten the screw on the case back. So, this is likely a design issue. These two issues though combine to amplify the problem. The bezel screws on the BP version are consistently good.

Third, the Date window on the BP is correct and well formed. On the BP version, the DW itself is also properly alligned and the print is sharp and font is correct. The Angus version has a sloppy Date Window cut out and the date wheel seems to ride high and to the left. This issue is evident in most examples I have seen.

Fourth, every BP dial I have seen looks very clean. The markers are straight as is the AP logo. On the QC photos of the Angus version, more than half the time the logo is crooked amd. People seem to think the angus version's dial colors or more accurate, but this is hard to tell in pictures. Moreover even ifs this statement is true, you can only see this difference if you have the gen and rep side by side. How often is that going to happen? Never!

Fifth, the Angus version is 1mm thinner (which is more correct), but this current is only noticable if you have both gen and side by side on a table or on your hand. This is not noticeable on the wrist. I also think that the extra 1mm in th case thickness may have given BP the room it needed to get the recessed bezel screws right.

Assuming you are willing to polish rehaut and that the moments are of comparable quality, I am growing.more convinced that the BP version it's the better value and better watch overall.


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very nice analysis and write up!
I guess for the real fence sitters its going to take a side by side comparsion of the two, in good light to declare a winner.
Man, really too bad about that BP rehault, not everyone has the tools to get to it and polish it, BP really needs to hear this and polish them at the factory already!

 

[sharrkey]

I have been seeing a of qc pictures of the Angus version popping up of the forums for comments. The more I see them the more or seems that the flaws I indentified in the preproduction version were not just a issue that was limited or wildfires by the fact that the watch was a sample. These issues seem to be common to the watch in the final version. I also think qualities that people are.using.to.base tbeir decision to by the angus version over the BP are.being overstated.

First, the bezel screws on the Angus version are entirely incorrect. The notches in the bezel screws on the Angus version are both way too wide and way too shallow. This is noticeable to anyone that is familiar with the 15400.

Second, the problem with screw design is made more obvious by the fact that the bezel screws are too long. The bezel screw should be recessed, but on the Angus version they seem to either sick out or are flush with the bezel. It seems that this.problem cannot be fixed by simply tighten the screw on the case back. So, this is likely a design issue. These two issues though combine to amplify the problem. The bezel screws on the BP version are consistently good.

Third, the Date window on the BP is correct and well formed. On the BP version, the DW itself is also properly alligned and the print is sharp and font is correct. The Angus version has a sloppy Date Window cut out and the date wheel seems to ride high and to the left. This issue is evident in most examples I have seen.

Fourth, every BP dial I have seen looks very clean. The markers are straight as is the AP logo. On the QC photos of the Angus version, more than half the time the logo is crooked amd. People seem to think the angus version's dial colors or more accurate, but this is hard to tell in pictures. Moreover even ifs this statement is true, you can only see this difference if you have the gen and rep side by side. How often is that going to happen? Never!

Fifth, the Angus version is 1mm thinner (which is more correct), but this current is only noticable if you have both gen and side by side on a table or on your hand. This is not noticeable on the wrist. I also think that the extra 1mm in th case thickness may have given BP the room it needed to get the recessed bezel screws right.

Assuming you are willing to polish rehaut and that the moments are of comparable quality, I am growing.more convinced that the BP version it's the better value and better watch overall.


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Seems a no brainer to me, Swiss movement, cheaper, and a little effort on you own behalf is the better option.
Can live with 1m case difference, couldn't live with all the dodgy high date wheels


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[set2374]

I am beginning to really believe this is a no brainer. The BP 15400 has been out since early July. In the past couple of months, how many bad reviews have you read? How many QC pictures have seen with protruding bezel screws, misaligned logos or date wheels? I haven't seen one bad review or one messed up QC photo. That has to say something about the quality of the BP version. I have had issues with BP products before, but I think they really nailed this one down.


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[TastyTreats]

'Major' issues:
BP: No polished rehaut
New Maker: poorly aligned date wheel

Minor issues:
BP: bracelet that comes off too easily, blue dial not as good as new makers, shoddy QC from BP fac, no decoration on movement
New maker: missing laser etching/white line thing on the AP logo, bezel screws not recessed

I don't have either yet, nor are these authoritative/valid reasons for picking one maker over the other - just reporting what members across the boards having been saying.

Personally, I chose the new maker because i'm a much bigger fan of their blue dial and the cote de geneve decoration on the movement, and hopefully fix the date wheel issue myself... but that's just me

I am with you - Blue Dial much better on the NEW MAKER !

 

[set2374]

I am with you - Blue Dial much better on the NEW MAKER !

TT, I personally prefer the new maker's blue dial, but I am not sure that it is more accurate.


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[TastyTreats]

TT, I personally prefer the new maker's blue dial, but I am not sure that it is more accurate.


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I have to agree with you there buddy. However for me its going to be my daily beater.

Id rather the right color than all the things that differentiate from the GEN. Lets face it unless you get the magnifying glass out and compare the REP with a GEN side by side which we all know will almost be 'never' then I would rather the thought of the better color catch the dial when the light reflects off it.

Just sayin.

 

[Rubberj00]

This is purely speculation as i haven't seen the BP IRL and my 'angus' is on the way so i haven't received that yet but the overall idea i got was that the BP model is the same quality as the previous RO models like the 15300 - i had these and they were just poorly made, horrible finishing of bracelet, bad brushed finish and the screws were terrible like you used to get in the breitlings 4 years ago.

When angus posted the pics of BP, gen and 'Angus' my girlfriend could pick the BP out as being the rep within seconds but she had no idea between the Angus vs gen. The overall finishing of it just looks superior and much more like a 12k+ watch, if you don't know the minute details, like my girlfriend doesn't, then she couldn't tell you which was the gen.

For me personally this makes the 'angus' and instant winner, on the RO models the most important aspect IMO is the finishing and quality of finish.




You may not agree but this is just my opinion - the quality difference is easily seeable and personally I think the only notable flaw on the Angus is the bezel screws, not that they may not be recessed but the deepness of the screw as you pointed out really does have a big effect on how they look.

- The logo as long as it's centered (angus has confirmed the majority are, so reject until you get one), on the white dial where the white line is not noticeable is far nicer on the 'Angus' whereas the BP to me it looks 'stuck over the dial' rather than blending.

- The date-cutout i'm pretty sure on BP has been confirmed that it's to big and therefore completely wrong, Angus has said that he does have models where the datewheel is centered so hope to get one of those, if not replace with edgematic DW - it's fixable unlike the wrong cut-out.

- Think it's agreed by most the dial is superior on the 'Angus' over the BP. The 'automatic' also from the pic below looks way to big on the BP model.

- Overall quality of everything on 'Angus' seems superior and those with the BP have said the bracelet is not great nor the deployment.

Therefore the only flaw on Angus that may be an issue for some is the depth of the screw heads however unless you have the gen next to it will you really notice this? i wouldn't...

I really don't see any reason other than someone wanting to spend less, why they would pick a BP over the 'Angus'.

(BP left, gen center, 'Angus' right)