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AP Royal Oak 15400: Comparison between Gen, BP and Angus Versions (picture heavy!!)

DreambreaX

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Why would they spend money putting a proper crystal on the back when its a part of the watch hardly anyone will ever see? Next people will be asking for AR on the back too, its a slippery slope for rep makers as I am sure everyone one here would like a $15000 watch but pay $150 if possible for it ;) Just have to be happy its not mineral on the front too like a lot of our rep watches once had.

The pam 111 and hublot v6 have sapphire crystal on the back. If they change into mineral glass i won't buy it. The reason i bought this rep is because of the quality and close to gen.

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My favorite thread deserves a bump and some motivation to get me to finish my paper
 

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After reading this entire thread and looking at lots of photos, I still feel the BP is overall better choice even excluding the substantial price difference. I say this because of it's far superior bezel screws; better dial print, date, and AP logo; better dial indices and lume; and crown. I understand the new batches do have the polished rehaut, and that is an easy mod for earlier pieces - so I won't include that as flaw.

The other version of course has the correct overall case thickness, which I think is entirely from the thinner back, and from what others have said a superior finish on the dial. Unfortunately in other ways (mentioned above) the BP dial is clearly superior. And the bezel screws are just a fail. They are not perfect on any AP rep but they just look bad in all the pics I see, with their wide slots flush to the bezel.

As far as the movement is concerned, the decoration of the Asian clone looks better than the Swiss, which is in all likelihood a refurb. Still, the Swiss will probably hold up better and can of course take all ETA parts. I'll call this a tie, although the lower price of the BP gives it the edge here.

Regarding the crystal, neither seems to have an effective (if any) AR coating. TDs don't mention AR for the BP, but do for the Angus. Some have said the BP crystal has slightly better clarity, maybe because the other version has an ineffective single AR. I'll consider this a tie too.

For bracelet/clasp, in the photos I've seen the BP bracelet looks better but I have not seen them in person. The clasps seem identical and probably come from the same source so both may ship some defective ones.

And with QC, I've had watches from every factory and some are perfect, some have assembly defects. Fortunately I'm comfortable with basic tasks like decasing so a little dust, fingerprints on the underside of the crystal, fibers, etc are more of a nuisance than a real problem. If one orders (10) 15400, half from each maker, there will be perfect and imperfect samples from each. The BP factory pieces I've had have been quite good, maybe I am lucky though.

So... with some advantages of each, I am curious if anyone has tried to make a hybrid ? Flip a coin as to the better dial - text, logo, indices, lume better on BP; sheen/finish better on other... so a desirable mix 'n match would be:

  • Keep BP insides: replace case back with the Angus one
  • Keep Angus insides: replace bezel and bezel screws with BP parts

One issue I foresee if different length of bezel screws. If too long (say BP screws to be used with Angus case back), they can be shortened easy enough. But obviously they could not be lengthened. So if a hybrid were made, it may be tough to create a 'ugly bastard' from the unwanted parts of each.

Another issue is clearance, if the thinner case back is used on the BP. If the rehauts are the same height it would seem the rotor will be in the same place on both pieces, but maybe I'm missing some other factor ?
 

ciceroyeah

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For bracelet/clasp, in the photos I've seen the BP bracelet looks better but I have not seen them in person. The clasps seem identical and probably come from the same source so both may ship some defective ones.

I've now had a chance to directly compare the bracelets, and the new maker "Angus" 15400 bracelet is hands-down the winner. The polish is nearly identical, but a bit more faceted and gen-like on the new maker. The new maker bracelet is also exactly as flexible as gen (I examined a gen in the flesh to confirm this). The BP bracelet is substantially less flexible and the "AP" logo on the clasp is iffy engraving compared to the new maker.

These superficial differences are not noticeable unless you you see them in the flesh and try them on the wrist, but they firmly make the Angus more gen-like. In terms of performance, the clasp mechanism on the BP has thinner pin-heads (even on perfectly functional examples), which makes them more fragile and I think leads to the clasp issues some members have had.
 

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I think we should sticky this along with the other thread comparing the gen to the BP 15400 (or find a way to merge the two). Lots of good information in here.
 

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Sorry Guys had to post this again - HILARIOUS !

AP 18ct SOLID GOLD - 'Can you imagine the wank value in that thing' !

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6-IMXqS47I#t=71"]ArchieLuxury suffers from buyers remorse with his Audemars Piguet Royal Oak - YouTube[/ame]
 

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I haven't been back here in a while. After spending considerable time in my own thread discussing the reasons why I preferred the BP version of the black dial 15400 to the Angus version, I decided to pick up an Angus version with a silver/white dial. Already, I think I am regretting my decision. I just got QC pictures, which I am going to post below. I have already rejected the watch, but can you see why?

ap15400-qc-rejected-1.jpg


A basic rep watch with clone 2824 movement that costs $430.00, can have a few flaws, but those flaws shouldn't result from shoddy workmanship. This expensive rep has not 1 crooked marker, but noticeably crooked markers at 12, 3 and 6 (the worst offender of them all). The print on the DWO looks a little crooked too (notice date for 31, the 1 is so much larger than the 3). At least the print and AP logo are straight.

For those of you who might say these are minor nits, I would agree if this were a $180-220 watch, but at $430.00 my expectations are completely different--particularly since one of the main selling points for buying this watch over the BP 15400 (which is $80.00 less) is that this watch supposedly has better QC! I am waiting on a replacement watch from my TD. Fingers crossed the replacement doesn't have any more issues.
 

ciceroyeah

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yeah that is surprisingly shoddy. Good call rejecting it, I hope they find you a decent one.
 

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I haven't been back here in a while. After spending considerable time in my own thread discussing the reasons why I preferred the BP version of the black dial 15400 to the Angus version, I decided to pick up an Angus version with a silver/white dial. Already, I think I am regretting my decision. I just got QC pictures, which I am going to post below. I have already rejected the watch, but can you see why?

ap15400-qc-rejected-1.jpg


A basic rep watch with clone 2824 movement that costs $430.00, can have a few flaws, but those flaws shouldn't result from shoddy workmanship. This expensive rep has not 1 crooked marker, but noticeably crooked markers at 12, 3 and 6 (the worst offender of them all). The print on the DWO looks a little crooked too (notice date for 31, the 1 is so much larger than the 3). At least the print and AP logo are straight.

For those of you who might say these are minor nits, I would agree if this were a $180-220 watch, but at $430.00 my expectations are completely different--particularly since one of the main selling points for buying this watch over the BP 15400 (which is $80.00 less) is that this watch supposedly has better QC! I am waiting on a replacement watch from my TD. Fingers crossed the replacement doesn't have any more issues.

the AP logo is off centred!!
 

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So which version is best?

The miyota9015 , Best edition A2824 or the BP ?
 

chris3007

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The best version is from AP. the second best is the miyota


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moordact

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The best version is from AP. the second best is the miyota


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Thanks , I needed to add best version of rep's offcourse ;)

Who created the miyota? and is there a comparisation between the miyota and for example the angus one? or BP
 

redtien7

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Wow, I learned a lot from reading this. Thank you so much for taking the time!