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New JF V5 in Rose Gold with the new dial
Very nice
New JF V5 in Rose Gold with the new dial
New JF V5 in Rose Gold with the new dial
So JF is also using plates to print Swiss Made??
1 step forward 2 steps back it seems like.
New JF V5 in Rose Gold with the new dial
Must be correct if you say so...
Rep V5 dial Top
Gen dial Below
Very nice
MasterWatch is correct regarding his observation and I mostly agree with him.
Despite making the "SWISS MADE" print sharp (which they undeniably did), they achieved it by printing on back plates for each word. The rep print, despite being sharp, looks distinctly different from the gen "SWISS MADE" in terms of font (rep font is too thick, and uses an entirely different font), print style (gen print is direct on dial and therefore undulating and with tapisserie texture visible between the letters), and the overall words/letters positions relative to the tapisseries. I agree that the rep "SWISS MADE" printing looks sharp and nice but it will never be mistaken for the gen if you know your gens and what to look for.
OK having said that, this is a difference which cannot be observed effectively in real life unless you have your nose almost up against the watch. We scrutinize details in the forums based on static pictures, often enlarged X times, and we discuss and dissect details like true enthusiasts. And this is good because that is what the forums are for. But I will say that is a detail which matters more in pictures online than in real life. Just avoid saying that this or that feature is "gen-like" without first having the gen to compare in hand next to the rep. Yes, there are certain gen-like features in the AP reps which impress me. But this "SWISS MADE" print, despite being sharp and clear, is definitely not one of them.
100% agree with legend that this is a detail that you have to get uncomfortably close to notice. So is the faded "SWISS MADE" On previous versions of JF. They made sharper text at the cost of wrong font and wrong dial construction. And hence my comment of "1 step forward 2 steps back".
Therefore in my opinion it was better the way it was and I feel like as the other member said JF cheated to achive the Sharper Text. And I felt the same when OMF first did it to achive the "sharper text".
This is maybe my fault. But I personally hold JF at a higher standard than this, because they have done an incredible job of repping the 15400. Far better than any other 15400 till date and for them to follow on the foot steps of a competitor and cut corners was not expected and in my opinion should not be recognized as an "achievement".
Also, it's unbecoming, specialy of a TD to comment (with their email address) that their "Gen is the same, in terms of printing". Insinuating that the printing is closer to Gen, when it's not. I think is very misleading on thier part.
To hell with accuracy, just enjoy it for what it is without pretense or false expectations. Imperfections exist in both the gens and reps, and I firmly believe that the main difference guy who wears the gens and one who wears the rep is not the sizes of their bank accounts, but simply their level of expectations of what goes on their wrist, and what they can/cannot live with. If someone can live with all the flaws of a miyota powered V5 15400, he is not going to care if the world dissects his watch and points out that he is wearing a rep. But it is important to know the flaws or tells of the rep watch you are wearing, so that you do not get caught in awkward situations, for your own sake. Screw the world, it is your watch and you wear it any damn way you wish. But at least know the differences or tells and stop calling a non gen-like feature "gen like" out of ignorance or blindness to truth. Nobody will look down on your personal choice of watches whatever it may be. But a lack of discernment or knowledge is another thing altogether, when ample opportunities exist here for all of us to learn.
Agree legend . To me, what matters in this kind of price bracket is if I love the look or not. I don't care too much if it is more or less gen-like. I'm not trying to deceive anyone.
I like the linearity of the new swiss made printing. Unless I am using a 2.5x loupe, it's really hard to tell any difference.
Just wear what you like and be happy.
Agree legend . To me, what matters in this kind of price bracket is if I love the look or not. I don't care too much if it is more or less gen-like. I'm not trying to deceive anyone.
I like the linearity of the new swiss made printing. Unless I am using a 2.5x loupe, it's really hard to tell any difference.
Just wear what you like and be happy.
I think that knowing you (from your posts), you will get a gen if you want accuracy and a rep if you want a watch YOU find nice on your wrist. So that settles it and that was why I said your watch was very nice. And I meant every word of it sir.
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I think that knowing you (from your posts), you will get a gen if you want accuracy and a rep if you want a watch YOU find nice on your wrist. So that settles it and that was why I said your watch was very nice. And I meant every word of it sir.
Don't get me wrong your watch looks stunning and you know and love what you have. I am glad you are proudly enjoying your watch and that's what this hobby is about.
My comments were about the TD saying it is Gen like. Which is false and erroneous on thier part. And this kind of cheap marketing ploy should not be used to make some quick sales off of uninformed buyers. Because they'll buy it thinking it's just like Gen and when they later find out that it's not it will ruin that sweet moment for them, and that's not what this hobby is about.
Don't trash the Dealers i saw so much JF versions with wrong parts, they are fucking it up not the dealers.
JF first used the old dial for the V5 then switched it on the RG version but not completly i saw QCs with old dials advertised as "new" RG gold version when it was clearly not. Like i said JF is fucking it up.
For the gen stuff maybe i don't remember wrong but didn't someone posted a picture/video with the plate stuff on gen too? Wasn't it that video where the one guy is comparing 2 different white/silver gen dials which looks completly different? But i can't be wrong i thought i saw something before, i will check for the youtube video later with the comparison.
I mean it is hard to believe that AP would do something like that but nobody thought Rolex would change the engravings from double laser engraved to one laser not engraved (to cut the costs) so i don't know has someone a new 2019/2018 gen dial to compare?
For the printing stuff, "Swiss Made" is so small i bet anyone would see the difference in real life and its not really a "tell", for me the whole tapseries is a tell because if you know gen you see that the tapseries is still completly wrong also the gen screws have a white gold look (more brownish/yellowish) which you can spot directly if you know the gen and the brushing etc etc etc so many tells.
At the end it is still a replica of 20k watch.