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    #31
    Originally posted by kilowattore View Post

    Helen Rou does not make true gilt dials fyi
    Ugh. Thanks KW. Okay, in that case I'm feeling more and more inclined to sort out my water slide transfer setup and do it myself...

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      #32
      If I can manage to find a couple if things, then I'd continue with my own dial print projects. Note that I'm not talking about pad-printed in the traditional way, but rather by using a water-slide transfer to layer the dial print over a brass blank. See this thread: https://forum.replica-watch.info/for...l-printed-dial

      However, what I still need to source are:
      1) a printer (laser preferably) that will print at 1200 dpi or better
      2) a film that will dry and adhere without wrinkling (which has been the problem to date).

      I bought a B&W laser that was advertised as being able to print up to the target res - but then found the terrible driver software meant it was impossible to achieve this. And I have also found that my water slide film wrinkles as it dries (but this could be down to my defective workflow/application attempts!).

      The closest I've come to success is this:



      This is with a Canon inkjet printer that does 1200dpi. But this print lifted a little at the edges, so I damped it down to flatten it - and it wrinkled! In retrospect I probably didn't need to worry about the edges having lifted slightly as they'd have been flattened by the dial against the inside of the case.

      But I also think the print resolution is below the standard I'd like. I'll need to experiment with the MQ dial details, and see how it goes.

      Just to double-check here, the dial diameter I need to work with is 27.3mm - correct? (I haven't actually checked with anyone yet to find out what dial/movement combo fits the milk case lol! I just assumed it was 27.3 and an Asian/ETA 2836 GMT movement...)
      Last edited by n0bby; 13-01-20, 13:37.

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        #33
        All I will say is nipple dial Root Beer

        I am looking forward to see how that case gets used

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        Originally posted by Parabuteo;n5110721
        Mods are GREAT at working out things, going to bat for us, and have some tools at their disposal to sanction scammers but they can't ultimately protect us from everything, including losing $ if we are not cautious. The main takeaway is this: we RWI members are participating knowingly in the "wild west" here (which actually thrills me) so...caveat emptor and never spend more than you can afford to lose.

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          #34
          Originally posted by C Master View Post
          All I will say is nipple dial Root Beer
          I admit to being a big nipple fan too.


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            #35
            Originally posted by n0bby View Post
            So I've had this dial offered to me by MQ. I asked for the price and have just had an email to say "Price for Rolex Dial GMT Ref 1675 Depth Gilt & Glossy Dial Original Rare! is 6200EUR"... I've replied asking for confirmation of whether he actually means 620EUR.

            What does the collective think? Is it worth paying 3 times the price of a dial from Ruby? I'm torn... I do love the originality of this...

            MQ is the man lol jesus 6.2k..

            As you’ve already said, I’d either get a Ruby’s (easiest way) or make one yourself- which is less easy but I‘d love to see the outcome.

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              #36
              Originally posted by n0bby View Post
              Just to double-check here, the dial diameter I need to work with is 27.3mm - correct? (I haven't actually checked with anyone yet to find out what dial/movement combo fits the milk case lol! I just assumed it was 27.3 and an Asian/ETA 2836 GMT movement...)
              What you could check on the watch case is both dial seat diameter and dial opening diameter (inside rehaut diameter).



              Starting with those infos + the lenght of the minute hand you want to use you can design a "perfect" GMT gilt dial
              1 - A/6538 Burford Milsub
              2 - sorry ... that build is classified
              3 - 16800 Comex Rolex - dated 1984
              4 - Heavily modded 16610 cheapie

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                #37
                That Milk case is awesome!


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                  #38
                  Originally posted by manodeoro View Post

                  What you could check on the watch case is both dial seat diameter and dial opening diameter (inside rehaut diameter).

                  Starting with those infos + the lenght of the minute hand you want to use you can design a "perfect" GMT gilt dial
                  Wow manodeoro - I was just planning to measure the cavity in the case with my lovely cheap digital calipers and call it job done - but your instructions are much more thorough! Cheers!

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by n0bby View Post

                    Wow manodeoro - I was just planning to measure the cavity in the case with my lovely cheap digital calipers and call it job done - but your instructions are much more thorough! Cheers!
                    You're welcome n0bby ... always happy to share ideas ...

                    BTW ... about making your own gilt dials ... this WE I've been tinkering with film-free decals and it seems that could be a way to get nice results ...
                    I've made some errors, like letting the glue cure too long before applying the decal and not applying the squeegee with enough strength, so there are some black parts missing after removing the decal film from the dial plate ...
                    Nevertheless I really think that with some more training I can get really good results and the closest "real gilt printing" that I could get ... apart from paad-printing of course ...
                    What is really interesting with that method is that the black parts are scratchproof and waterproof ... something you can't achieve with classic decal method ...

                    BTW ...
                    I've designed that dial on Illustrator, exported it .TIFF at a 24000 ppi def (highest you can get while exporting .TIFF using Illustrator), modified the .TIFF with Photoshop to 6000 ppi, then printed it on a laser copier at 1200/1200 ppi.
                    Result in real is much better than what you see here... my Moto G7 phone is not really good for taking close-up pics ... I'll try to do better later with the next dial tests ...

                    Last edited by manodeoro; 14-01-20, 09:16.
                    1 - A/6538 Burford Milsub
                    2 - sorry ... that build is classified
                    3 - 16800 Comex Rolex - dated 1984
                    4 - Heavily modded 16610 cheapie

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                      #40
                      Redheart Beautiful job on the pcg mate. They look awesome. This is my plan for my '62 exclamation point 1675 I have a custom Bart Cordell gilt print dial in a model bp case . My build desereves better and and have considered for months picking up a vietnam case to finish my build but ruby didnt have the correct date stamp that I wanted and the price was becoming difficult to justify.

                      Milks case sets are perfect for this. meaty lugs and a blank slate so that I can send it over to JMB for proper year appropriate engravings.

                      I think I will be attempting for lugs like this on mine.



                      Congrats n0bby on the win!! Look fwd to seeing progress on your build.

                      This is my 1675 currently and will create my own thread once I have received a case set started work on it.
                      WANTED: ROLEX 6541 Milgauss Faraday Cage / Case back
                      Too many watches...not enough time...

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                        #41
                        Today, some more information, following discussions with the folk behind my raffle-won case set.

                        In order to get the right sized dial, I double-checked with milk that the case dimensions are all as per gen. He sent me this technical drawing of the case:



                        Which is helpful. And then when I spoke to tripdog about sourcing a dial, he said, "The 1675 dials are 27.3mm, the dial aperture in the Milk case is 27.55, so it's slightly too large - should 27.4mm."

                        But all this is music to my ears - because I tend to hear numbers as musical notes, and these ones are all tinkly and melodic. But also because I'm a huge fan of "Yeah, that's close enough" when it comes to making things to fit in holes. So I'm getting a 28.5 mm dial that's got the right date window position for an ETA 2879 movement, and I'll shave it down to fit nice and snug - using my Dremel as a makeshift lathe.

                        As well as reminding me about that handy hint for fitting your dial to a Dremel to sand it to size, trip also had some more useful info which I'm adding here for future generations to benefit from (and so it's all in one place and I don't forget about it myself...)

                        "You probably want a low beat ETA for this build, which complicates things a little. You need a stem height of around 2.1 - 2.4 mm and you need to be able to add the GMT module to it. The ETA 2879 fits the bill - low beat, will accept the GMT module.

                        2879s can be found on eBay, amongst other places, prices are around $150 - $200.

                        For the GMT module you need a Hangzhou GMT movement, available from Helenarou for about $140.

                        This means your finished low beat Swiss ETA with GMT will end up costing about $300.

                        You could of course just use the Hangzhou GMT, which is a clone of the 2836 + a GMT module, or if you could find a Swiss 2836 for cheap, you could swap the GMT module onto that - but obviously this and the Hangzhou/2836 movement is going to be high beat - 1675's are low beat.

                        Any gen spec Cartel vintage Rolex dial will serve as a base for the decal dial.

                        I'd look at Raffles Time for hands - good choice, reasonable prices."


                        So I'm following trip's advice, and going for the low beat 2879.
                        Last edited by n0bby; 14-01-20, 16:26.

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                          #42
                          Also, while I'm here - can anyone post actual links to the specific correct hands on Raffle's eBay store. There's some options, and I'm guaranteed to pick the wrong ones if left to my own devices...

                          I'm looking for hands that will give the look of the GMT I posted on the first page, and which fit the stem sizes on a 2879 movement..



                          Last edited by n0bby; 14-01-20, 16:57.

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                            #43
                            So do the dials from helenarou expect the date position to be eta positioned or are they made with the idea that there’s a date wheel overlay to correct the position to Rolex date wheel? Also where would we source a proper date wheel overlay?

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by chubbychaser911 View Post
                              So do the dials from helenarou expect the date position to be eta positioned or are they made with the idea that there’s a date wheel overlay to correct the position to Rolex date wheel? Also where would we source a proper date wheel overlay?
                              Very good questions - to which I have no answer chubbychaser.

                              My dial is coming from tripdog - a 28.5 mm dial with the correct date window position for the movement (which he is also supplying - but in need of additional parts).

                              I asked Helenrou for a quote and in what format they need the artwork if they're printing the dial - and have those answers. But at the time I was quoting "ETA 2836 GMT" to them as the movement it was to fit. The answers to my questions were:

                              "You can send me your text and logo by PDF / Jepg, but prefer Ai file ( black color text and logo in white background)

                              I'll mock it on dial for you to approve before printing

                              Custom printing set up will charge by dial factory $130 + $ 49 dial + register shipping"

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                                #45
                                So I just contacted Ruby and all of her/his dials are made to fit the Rolex caliber and feet have to be repositioned. So Those are going to require a DWO.

                                Would be interested in what you find out about the date window position. I'm sure that trip dog would only supply a dial with correct date wheel position.

                                Originally posted by n0bby View Post
                                Very good questions - to which I have no answer chubbychaser.

                                My dial is coming from tripdog - a 28.5 mm dial with the correct date window position for the movement (which he is also supplying - but in need of additional parts).

                                I asked Helenrou for a quote and in what format they need the artwork if they're printing the dial - and have those answers. But at the time I was quoting "ETA 2836 GMT" to them as the movement it was to fit. The answers to my questions were:

                                "You can send me your text and logo by PDF / Jepg, but prefer Ai file ( black color text and logo in white background)

                                I'll mock it on dial for you to approve before printing

                                Custom printing set up will charge by dial factory $130 + $ 49 dial + register shipping"

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