ZF RM55, new super clone movement

[Arthaworld]

I believe it is respectable for the price that you are paying, on the other hand I am also yearning to know if any one has an idea how to improve the zf ntpt bezel? special Sandblasting perhaps ?

 

[Dollar_short]

the sides could be better, maybe they are irl, idk. otherwise doesn't look bad.

 

[DurbanPoison]

I believe it is respectable for the price that you are paying, on the other hand I am also yearning to know if any one has an idea how to improve the zf ntpt bezel? special Sandblasting perhaps ?

if you've seen a real RM NTPT you will realise the ZF NTPT is world apart from gen and is an obvious tell

 

[greenbeans]

I believe it is respectable for the price that you are paying, on the other hand I am also yearning to know if any one has an idea how to improve the zf ntpt bezel? special Sandblasting perhaps ?

Considering ZF themselves made a very well done ntpt case for half the price before, I don't think it's out the question it'll be improved on subsequent versions. I speculate they probably decided they could cut corners in the first version given how big a leap the movement is and people would still flock to buy.

 

[Bombardier]

if you've seen a real RM NTPT you will realise the ZF NTPT is world apart from gen and is an obvious tell

That is like seeing Mike Tyson in real life I think

 

[DurbanPoison]

That is like seeing Mike Tyson in real life I think

Honestly I think it’s rarer to spot genuine RMs on the streets in western countries because the population is so widely spread out in large land space but in countries like Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore, you often see random chaps wearing gen RMs in shorts and flippers

 

[Prizon]

Jesus the carbon NTPT pattern on all these clone RM is trash. What a pity with such a beautiful movement

For 1k it does the job. No one is going to come up to you and check the ntpt pattern. Let’s be honest here

 

[fletch512]

For 1k it does the job. No one is going to come up to you and check the ntpt pattern. Let’s be honest here

True, but with all due respect I don't know why everyone is all giddy about an updated movement (with painted rather than polished ribs at that), when anyone that would know the difference in movements would more quickly spot the matte NTPT pattern.

If all you want is something that resembles an RM-55, save $500 and get a BBR. If you're paying extra for a movement with subtle differences no one will see on the wrist, I would think you'd want a sparkly NTPT case that people would actually notice on your wrist. I mean, ZF came much closer when they outsources the case a while back, but they raised the price while making a cheaper looking case. If people are cool with it, then ZF will never improve, but if people call them out on cutting corners like this, perhaps they would invest in mass producing some of the nice CNC cases we've seen.

 

[GiantSquid]

Where did this stuff about painted ribs come from? I don't think they're painted at all, they don't look like it and ZF has never painted their bridges in the past. They don't look brushed up to gen spec, but in no pic I've seen do they look painted on. I remember someone posting about that with zero proof months ago but I'm pretty sure that's not an actual thing.

 

[DurbanPoison]

True, but with all due respect I don't know why everyone is all giddy about an updated movement (with painted rather than polished ribs at that), when anyone that would know the difference in movements would more quickly spot the matte NTPT pattern.

If all you want is something that resembles an RM-55, save $500 and get a BBR. If you're paying extra for a movement with subtle differences no one will see on the wrist, I would think you'd want a sparkly NTPT case that people would actually notice on your wrist. I mean, ZF came much closer when they outsources the case a while back, but they raised the price while making a cheaper looking case. If people are cool with it, then ZF will never improve, but if people call them out on cutting corners like this, perhaps they would invest in mass producing some of the nice CNC cases we've seen.

+1 this. The RM055 BBR v3 is a better rep in this aspect now, same thoughts. Unless u intend to post your rep on social media and let people scrutinise your watch lol

 

[Stuart Pitt]

The ribs are definitely painted, view pictures at full resolution and you can see the thickness of the paint, quite different from flat brushing.

 

[Cheesegrater]

Is there a vendor that makes a shiny or gen like NTPT that can replace the ZF's case?

 

[Arthaworld]

I am curious to know if ZF will release updated RM052 skull with a working tourbillon? It was one of the first RM model ZF ever release.

 

[DurbanPoison]

Is there a vendor that makes a shiny or gen like NTPT that can replace the ZF's case?

RC studio quoted me 40k RMB for a super gen like NTPT, 28k for a high quality NTPT.

AMF quoted me 5K USD.

Both studio will extract the clone movement from ZF and import it into a custom CNC NTPT case

 

[Cheesegrater]

RC studio quoted me 40k RMB for a super gen like NTPT, 28k for a high quality NTPT.

AMF quoted me 5K USD.

Both studio will extract the clone movement from ZF and import it into a custom CNC NTPT case

Is that the real value of the ntpt. ?
Can they also do a red one

 

[Reaps]

Is that the real value of the ntpt. ?
Can they also do a red one

I think it's past just the material cost of NTPT but the machining and other things required to get a full case ready for a watch.

In my opinion it's a little expensive but that's often how it goes, the fine details are often magnitudes more expensive than replicas. The last 20% of details can cost or take more than the first 80% of manufacturing.

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I think it personally looks good - you can see here that custom CNC cases have a nice shine to them rather than the matte finishes of ZF.

 

[fletch512]

Where did this stuff about painted ribs come from? I don't think they're painted at all, they don't look like it and ZF has never painted their bridges in the past. They don't look brushed up to gen spec, but in no pic I've seen do they look painted on. I remember someone posting about that with zero proof months ago but I'm pretty sure that's not an actual thing.

There's a good closeup on p.12 of this thread (reposted below). As you can see, the bridges are some sort of thick granular paint or adhesive. Other macro shots show that it's a little sparkly, almost like diamond dust. In any case, very different from the brushed steel look of the gen. That's why the ZF ribs don't become dark in certain light conditions like the gen - because it's some sort of silver paint/adhesive rather than reflective metal. But again, no one would notice in real life without a magnifying lens, unlike the case which doesn't have the shimmering carbon of the gen (and to some extent previous ZF NTPT cases) and can be easily spotted by anyone that's seen even a picture of gen NTPT.

So I stand by my thesis - if you're looking for an homage to RM, or something that will fool 99.9% of the population - save $500 and get the BBR. If you want a watch that will fool the other .1% of the population, save up and pay $15-20k for CNC case and free sprung Vaucher clone movement. The ZF in my mind falls in that weird middle area where it's somewhat expensive, yet still an obvious fake to anyone that knows a thing or two about RM watches.

 

[fletch512]

Is that the real value of the ntpt. ?
Can they also do a red one

I agree with Reaps above, but also factor in the savings of mass producing cases versus making small batches for those that want to shell out $20k for a rep (albeit a very good rep). When ZF first sold NTPT cases, I understand they contracted out the case to a supplier that used to sell cases separately to modders. Those were pretty good. ZF has since changed to a cheaper supplier or in-house machining, and it shows.

 

[drstrangeph]

Anyone has pics/reviews of these 20k cnc machined case with vaucher clone movement? And who makes them?

 

[Reaps]

Anyone has pics/reviews of these 20k cnc machined case with vaucher clone movement? And who makes them?

I'm sorry but did you literally not see the post I made 3 posts above you? No offense but this is why this forum is going to dogshit, people treat it like google without even reading any posts and require them to fucking be spoonfed