XF New AP Royal Oak 15202 Releasing Soon!

[BIONONE]

asking a TD to take 1 minute to unscrew 1mm for this specific model

thinking about selling around 50 watches a day
- let's say 2-5 of them are an XF 15202
- 1min per watch
- usually 30 working days per month
- so he has to use 1-2.5h per month what doesn't seem much in the first place but if you see it this way around that he could easily sell/process 5-10 watches more in this time with a margin of lets say 50$ per watch the conclusion is pretty clear that this extra service will cost this TD more than it is worth.

buying the right screw driver and heating up the bracelet like you have to do it with all sorts of locktite will cost the average customer 15-20$ and a bit of engagement to educate himself about unscrew stuck bracelet screws without "screwing up" - pun intended.

Many of those who complained about the screws asked how to solve it before damaging them - so they are one example of handling your rep with the responsibility needed.

Like already said it is a bit out of touch to take those things for granted as we often don't see the scenery behind the curtain.

 

[QueTip]

Boy, you seem to have been dropped one or two time as baby, or do you have Tourettes syndrome maybe?

If you have read anything in this thread there are many members complaining about the screws and how they mess up their bracelet even with proper tools since they use some kind of superglue. I was only trying to help... I don't even own the XF 15202. If you don't like that advice fine.

Not all will like that idea or my "attitude" towards asking a TD to take 1 minute to unscrew 1mm on the screws for this specific model with their perfect tools and skills, and those members have written that in a polite and grown up way but they don't call me a retard, completely lost, saying I have motor skills of a slice of bread like you do.

I'm frankly tired of being polite to you. Maybe you are a mod and people will back you up, I don't care. Calling people things that you do is something my 4-year old son already have learned not to do.

Are you ready for a reply yet or do you still need time to edit your post for the 100th time because you realise how stupid you actually sound?

You've played off all possible friendliness when you dropped this: 'Wouldn't it be easier to ask the TD to unscrew every bracelet screw 1mm before sending, then the damage risk are on them...' 'if you don’t like that advice.. fine'

First of all, that’s not advice but an attempt to defraud your dealer that was kind enough to do you a favour. Give one finger, you’re taking the whole hand. And like I told you, you can take this attitude with you and move over to reddit. We don’t tolerate shit like that here, simple.

Now, do I care if you like what I say? Trust me, I don’t. Judging by all the reactions you’ve received to your statements, it’s obvious that it wasn’t me that was dropped as a baby. And no, none of these people 'back me because I’m a mod' like you imply.

Like many others stated, the screws shouldn’t be a problem if you’re using the right tools. And if it still is, there’s been countless tips that have been posted in here that do work. I can guarantee you that.

I’m not gonna explain it again, it was done multiple times before and you still don’t seem to get it. So better you move along now before you make this a whole different mess for yourself, okay?

 

[King Louis]

I own a V2. All screws were easy to remove but one. It wouldn’t move at all. Doesnt bother me, as I could remove all the links I needed to remove anyways.

I am new here. This has been my first rep and this threat has been very helpful with lots of good information of various kinds.

Lately, this threat looked like a comment section on YouTube. When we disagree on something we can have heated discussions about it but do not need to insult each other personally, right?

 

[legend]

Boy, you seem to have been dropped one or two time as baby, or do you have Tourettes syndrome maybe?

If you have read anything in this thread there are many members complaining about the screws and how they mess up their bracelet even with proper tools since they use some kind of superglue. I was only trying to help... I don't even own the XF 15202. If you don't like that advice fine.

Not all will like that idea or my "attitude" towards asking a TD to take 1 minute to unscrew 1mm on the screws for this specific model with their perfect tools, expreience and skills like some of us don't have, and those members have written that in a polite and grown up way but they don't call me a retard, completely lost, saying I have motor skills of a slice of bread like you do.

I'm frankly tired of being polite to you. Maybe you are a mod and people will back you up, I don't care. Calling people things that you do is something my 4-year old son already have learned not to do.

Frankly it was your one line about asking the dealer to do you a favor and then stating that he is to be blamed if he fails, which left a sour taste with guys. That made you lose credibility as an owner. You need to reflect on that statement and realize what you were saying was wrong, and churlish.

Quetip is a personal close friend of mine but one thing is for sure: with the logic of what he is saying, and his seniority, the guy doesn’t need back up from anyone at all lol. I agree with his stated reasoning and I think it’s one of the reasons why he was made a mod in the first place.

Respect must be earned and you definitely do not earn it going the way you did. Nobody needs to learn how to defraud or strongarm their dealers. They will benefit more learning how to deal with difficult screws themselves rather than trying to screw their dealer over for trying to be helpful.

I still disagree that it’s the dealer’s job to loosen any screw at all. We are not babies waiting to be spoonfed. I’ve personally worked on more than 50 screws and never had a screw remain stuck or becoming damaged, so it can definitely be done if I don’t have any supernatural powers in that regard.


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[BIONONE]

it can definitely be done if I don’t have any supernatural powers in that regard

...you must be a wizard of some sort. Impossible that not a single screw was stuck... IMPOSSIBLE!

 

[legend]

...you must be a wizard of some sort. Impossible that not a single screw was stuck... IMPOSSIBLE!

Well.... some are a little harder to unscrew than others G but with patience ive done over 50 15202 for various mods, services, repairs and almost all required adjustments of bracelets. I’ve not had a single screw damaged or stuck at all and that’s the truth. You can check with the owners here to see if any of their 15202s have chewed up screws coming from me.


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[Akilles]

Frankly it was your one line about asking the dealer to do you a favor and then stating that he is to be blamed if he fails, which left a sour taste with guys. That made you lose credibility as an owner. You need to reflect on that statement and realize what you were saying was wrong, and churlish.

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Thank you Legend for the feedback. Your way of explaining is both honest, insightful, without name calling and at the same time very polite (like in all other posts I've read from you) which is all I ever wanted. I will do my best not to give similar suggestion again.

For Quetip: Reason for editing my text several times is because English is not my native language, also I write on the mobile and work at the same time.

 

[BIONONE]

Well.... some are a little harder to unscrew than others G but with patience ive done over 50 15202 for various mods, services, repairs and almost all required adjustments of bracelets. I’ve not had a single screw damaged or stuck at all and that’s the truth. You can check with the owners here to see if any of their 15202s have chewed up screws coming from me.


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of course i was a bit sarcastic. Nevertheless i still believe you are a kind of wizard - may it regard the 15202 bracelets or anything else about watches in general

 

[portholelover]

If you have read anything in this thread there are many members complaining about the screws and how they mess up their bracelet even with proper tools since they use some kind of superglu

Verry easy!! buy bergeon 4503/50 and no more problem with screw promise!!

 

[legend]

Thank you Legend for the feedback. Your way of explaining is both honest, insightful, without name calling and at the same time very polite (like in all other posts I've read from you) which is all I ever wanted. I will do my best not to give similar suggestion again.

For Quetip: Reason for editing my text several times is because English is not my native language, also I write on the mobile and work at the same time.

Yes it is unfair to argue with you if you say that English isn’t your first language.

I hope we can all get along but please also give due respect to Quetip as the section mod. He deserves it without question.

If you have any issues we will be happy to help you. It’s what the forum is for, please don’t forget that.


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[T'Challa]

When the light hits nicely IMO...

 

[Tompa]

V1

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[jasonbaylee]

When the light hits nicely IMO...

Well taken perspective as that bezel really radiates brilliantly under the light!

 

[Pdatoon]

V1

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Do you notice the mix match lume color on the wrist? I have the feeling this is not really an issue

 

[Tompa]

Do you notice the mix match lume color on the wrist? I have the feeling this is not really an issue

For me its no issue. But on a high Rez picture like this when you can zoom in allot
I see it offcourse, But in real life its no worry. Not for me at least


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[Cadows]

Which is better this one or ZF 15500?

 

[Akilles]

Which is better this one or ZF 15500?

Would be more fair to compare 15500 with 15400 if you must...

15202 and 15500 have different sizes and design so it's almost like comparing an older Submariner with a new Sea Dweller.

 

[fire007]

Would be more fair to compare 15500 with 15400 if you must...

15202 and 15500 have different sizes and design so it's almost like comparing an older Submariner with a new Sea Dweller.

+1

 

[marcoxxxx84]

Probably he is only interested in which one is closer to gen

 

[legend]

For me its no issue. But on a high Rez picture like this when you can zoom in allot
I see it offcourse, But in real life its no worry. Not for me at least


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I think that Tompa's attitude in the game is exemplary. How these rep watches look in real life is never how they appear to be on the forum, a static, magnified picture zoomed x times and holding perfectly still till the end of time for scrutiny. Movement and real-life size are real factors and will always be a part of our real-world wrist game.
It is about the wearer. I can put on a stock v-whatever rep royal oak and the people around me will never suspect its a rep.