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Who Makes the Best Submariner?

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Yes, they discourage posting your QC process here (even though new buyers require hours of research to know what to look for), but I think someone like Chazingtime should be reputable enough to deliver a solid product. If there is anything glaring that you're unsure about, post it and i'm sure there are plenty of fantastic people here that can give you a helping hand. Just dont post all the pics.
 
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Lastly, I found the on-boarding / immersion process with this forum to be quite difficult. I understand why members who have been on here for a long long time don't want to see the same questions popping up, but for a new member, it requires many hours that a lot of people do not have. And not all search bars a created equally.

The fact that gets missed sometimes is that new rep customers that have a good experience will buy more reps and recommend their contacts to buy reps as well. More sales for the rep industry means more revenue for the factories producing them and the more investment they can spend on creating better and better products that will benefit EVERYONE. So, thanks for contributing to the community and I hope you have a great experience!
 
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Yes, they discourage posting your QC process here (even though new buyers require hours of research to know what to look for), but I think someone like Chazingtime should be reputable enough to deliver a solid product. If there is anything glaring that you're unsure about, post it and i'm sure there are plenty of fantastic people here that can give you a helping hand. Just dont post all the pics.

Consider the fact that simply stated the QC photos provided you by the TD is just a perk for you as a buyer. Not all TD's offer QC photos. They are not required.
Even more to the point- The QC photos are for you and only you as you are the buyer, it's your money, Your Decision. Why would anyone else need to make your decision for you ?

As per RWI rules on QC postings, QC photos are allowed to be posted as long as you are seeking help about a specific detail(s) that don't appear to be correct. Ie: You think that the qc photo has a crooked marker or think you see a blemish on the dial, not sure if it is the correct version of the watch as stated- specifics !
Forum members will be glad to help with a specific qc detail. Just make sure that you actually are knowledgeable enough to point out the specific flaw. And again, no one is going to decide for you which watch to buy. That's all you.

If you feel you have limited time to do your homework as to which rep watch best meets your expectations, then don't expect to end up with the best choice.
As with anything, you only get back what you are willing to put into it.

Finally, never expect to get answers to questions you yourself don't know the answers to.
 
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BuckNaked

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There are several on chrono24 for that price. Also I just spent some time on rolex forums and a lot of people wear submariners to work everyday. So I think I’ll be ok

It depends on where you work and how much you make. Ask yourself, can someone in your position realistically afford a $7,000 watch?

At my job, only the most senior managers would wear a sub to work. If you don't want to get funny looks in the elevator, steer clear.
 

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Lastly, I found the on-boarding / immersion process with this forum to be quite difficult. I understand why members who have been on here for a long long time don't want to see the same questions popping up, but for a new member, it requires many hours that a lot of people do not have. And not all search bars a created equally!
Yes, that's all true, but there is a new member's section and a "no flame" zone as well. I found these to be quite helpful. Four watches later......
 
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I definitely should've posted in the no flame forum. People here are so hostile and Chinese customer service is brief. I'm now much less open to spending $500+ on one of these reproductions.

Basic information is very difficult to find. For example:

I decided I want a no date Sub. But people keep talking about the superiority of ARF - guess what - ARF doesn't even make a no date Sub. But people keep telling me that's what they'd get. Haha!

So since there's no ARF I can only choose between a ZZF and Noob V10. Through my own research I discovered that ZZF doesn't offer the SA3130 movement. So that leaves me with the Noob V10. . But the TD "isn't sure" if the Noob V10 actually is an SA3130 and "isn't sure" if the Noob V10 is compatible with gen parts.

Yikes. So research just leads to more questions and more confusion. The TD's (and lots of the members here) want you to accept that "none of the watches are perfect" and "all of them have flaws" and there is no "best choice." But if I can't make a best choice then I'm not going to make any choice. Especially not for $500.

I even offered the TD a $100 tip to help me find the best clone possible, he wasn't interested. I also told him I'd like to pay extra for an ARF bracelet. He wasn't interested.
 
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Take the zzf no date sub, the bracelet on the ARF is lightly better but not a huge difference at all, then you can search for an ARF bracelet on the M2M
 

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I definitely should've posted in the no flame forum. People here are so hostile and Chinese customer service is brief. I'm now much less open to spending $500+ on one of these reproductions.

Basic information is very difficult to find. For example:

I decided I want a no date Sub. But people keep talking about the superiority of ARF - guess what - ARF doesn't even make a no date Sub. But people keep telling me that's what they'd get. Haha!

So since there's no ARF I can only choose between a ZZF and Noob V10. Through my own research I discovered that ZZF doesn't offer the SA3130 movement. So that leaves me with the Noob V10. . But the TD "isn't sure" if the Noob V10 actually is an SA3130 and "isn't sure" if the Noob V10 is compatible with gen parts.

Yikes. So research just leads to more questions and more confusion. The TD's (and lots of the members here) want you to accept that "none of the watches are perfect" and "all of them have flaws" and there is no "best choice." But if I can't make a best choice then I'm not going to make any choice. Especially not for $500.

I even offered the TD a $100 tip to help me find the best clone possible, he wasn't interested. I also told him I'd like to pay extra for an ARF bracelet. He wasn't interested.
Yeah, this crowd doesn't suffer fools :)

The TD customer service may be terse, but it's solid. I have bought from PureTime and they have been great. Their chat function is very useful. Just my opinion, seems like TD choice is a personal preference.

You definitely want the no date sub. Here's a very thorough thread on that watch. Take some time and gut through it. It should allay any concerns:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/for...mariner-vs-gen
 
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Consider the fact that simply stated the QC photos provided you by the TD is just a perk for you as a buyer. Not all TD's offer QC photos. They are not required.
Even more to the point- The QC photos are for you and only you as you are the buyer, it's your money, Your Decision. Why would anyone else need to make your decision for you ?

As per RWI rules on QC postings, QC photos are allowed to be posted as long as you are seeking help about a specific detail(s) that don't appear to be correct. Ie: You think that the qc photo has a crooked marker or think you see a blemish on the dial, not sure if it is the correct version of the watch as stated- specifics !
Forum members will be glad to help with a specific qc detail. Just make sure that you actually are knowledgeable enough to point out the specific flaw. And again, no one is going to decide for you which watch to buy. That's all you.

If you feel you have limited time to do your homework as to which rep watch best meets your expectations, then don't expect to end up with the best choice.
As with anything, you only get back what you are willing to put into it.

Finally, never expect to get answers to questions you yourself don't know the answers to.


Appreciate the response. A community's ethos will always develop into something distinct over time, and those characteristics will be protected. Im not trying to go against that, because a community does a lot of things for a lot of people. Just adding my observations.

1. QC photos add to the buying experience and professionalism of the rep industry and it could be argued that it should be the norm. I think it's a bit strong to suggest that QC pictures are for ONLY the buyer. It's prudent for a conscientious buyer that doesn't have enough expertise to seek guidance. It's a lot easier to pass off inferior product to self-professed newbies to the industry.

Specifically that it's their money (that's contributing to the health of this industry), it's rational that to make 'their decision' they would seek advice. I dont know how asking for input turns into outsourcing the decision to someone else. On each topic there are multiple opinions. Buyers remorse is real. If you dont know what you dont know, and approve QC that you find out later you should have passed on, then the rep industry risks losing customers. Can put this down to a learning cost, but this is a cost to the industry.

2. Rules are there to be followed to maintain the health of a community. Those that ask a question 'expects' help to be forthcoming, they just hope for some input and hope not to be lambasted. Viewers of posts are not obliged to respond to any other persons post. Maybe there is some middle ground for new purchases to seek help that many industries do with on-boarding.

3. I don't understand the rationale of your last two points. Please elaborate. In my opinion, there are many motivations why people seek to buy a rep, together, they contribute to the health of the industry. As industries go, rep watches require a comparatively high amount information to start well. If someone doesn't have the time to find all this information then are you happy for the industry to lose that customer? It's not like the above gent didnt do any research at all. He was researching what he could and then reached out for some extra guidance. Are you happy for new customers to have poor first experiences and then badmouth the industry to their contacts? Or could there be a way to harass the combined expertise of members to somehow simplify on-boarding? I don't know, and it's not my decision. It's just my perspective as a new customer navigating this industry.

It's obvious that there is a large learning curve when getting into reps. It's also clear that every purchase of a rep adds more revenue to this industry. More revenue increases competition between factories and this will result in more, and better quality products for the whole industry to enjoy.
 

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Specifically that it's their money (that's contributing to the health of this industry)
Can put this down to a learning cost, but this is a cost to the industry.
they contribute to the health of the industry.
are you happy for the industry to lose that customer?
Are you happy for new customers to have poor first experiences and then badmouth the industry to their contacts?
It's also clear that every purchase of a rep adds more revenue to this industry
More revenue increases competition between factories and this will result in more, and better quality products for the whole industry to enjoy.

You do understand that the 'industry' of counterfeiting is illegal ?

When an activity is illegal it has it's own set of rules.
 

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You do understand that the 'industry' of counterfeiting is illegal ?

When an activity is illegal it has it's own set of rules.

If the motivation is reduce potential liability, hence the longevity of this illegal industry, then cool. I follow the rules here because they are the rules. I was voicing up to ask why the status quo is the status quo as a response to the hostility directed at the lad who posted this thread.
 

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Hostility????!!!! Are you joking?????

This crowd has been Super nice so far, compared to the complete ass-kicking someone would have got about 5 years ago for posting a question like that.

I’m thinking the lockdown has got all the folks here a lot more tolerant.

When I joined this forum, if I’d asked a question like that I’d likely have been brigged.
 
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Ffs! Hostility? How have people in here been hostile? By not simply telling you what to buy? Get a grip!

The community spirit, in depth info and, for want of a better word, togetherness, shown by members on RWI is second to none. You asked, some would say a trolling type question, the info is all on the forum. There is no perfect answer. Read. Choose a watch. Buy or don't. The choice is YOURS


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Through my own research I discovered that ZZF doesn't offer the SA3130 movement. So that leaves me with the Noob V10. . But the TD "isn't sure" if the Noob V10 actually is an SA3130 and "isn't sure" if the Noob V10 is compatible with gen parts.
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As you've done your research you'll know that the SA movement is crap anyway.
Get the ZZF. Which is better than the Noob regardless of movement.
 
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So, then I says to 'em, if you know what's best for you you'll spoon-feed me, 'cause I can't feed myself!
 
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go to a TD website, buy the most expensive one, because as we all know expensive stuff is always better than cheap stuff.

and overall its just a fckn sub rep aka toywatch, with little to no value irl.
 

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Broooooo just get the ZZF V2 sub with date and be done with it. Doesn’t matter if it has a date or not. The general public will have no freaking clue if it’s fake or not. You’re overthinking everything... get some self confidence roll with it bud. You’ll feel much better about all things. You got this!


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