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Not had any similar issues with my ORF white dial. Biggest issue for me is the less than pearly white lume. Really would like to get it relumed, but modders in the UK are few and far between!
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Which Seamaster 300 - VSF vs ORF
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Not had any similar issues with my ORF white dial. Biggest issue for me is the less than pearly white lume. Really would like to get it relumed, but modders in the UK are few and far between!
From my personal experience. The orf crown thread is vastly superior
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If that is the case, I may put my VSF up for sale as a good parts watch at a good price and pick up an ORF….
It is decorated 2824 though. So I guess any watchsmith familiar with reps can work with it since its not a full clone of calibre 8800.
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Just heard from a creditable WeChat dealer that ORF has started using a subpar quality Wuhan 2824 movement (not sure if this is the z2 pos movement) instead of the usual quality a2824 like the vsf and jvs.
Buyers beware.
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Buyers beware.
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Any reason you went with ORF over VSF? which dealer did you use?
Context: I'm looking to get the same watch.
Hi guys! I've bought a seamaster 300 black ORF in November 2021 and it has been working great since. A few days ago I have noticed that the lume on the dial has turned yelloish even when not charged ( it was snow white in the beginning). Do you guys know if it's possible to change the orf dial with a vsf one?
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you probably can, if u manage to source vsf replacement dial.
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Just picked up this pre raid VSF from coolwhip42.
Thought I should post some comparison pics of it and my ORF (Jan 2022ish)
VSF is on the right.
VSF dial is ever slightly more cream, indices are definitely more yellow (more of a white dial version issue)
VSF Seamaster text on dial is lighter.
VSF Lume is slightly better, it looks in photo that minute hand is not green enough, but in the flesh it is green.
VSF dial text is noticeably bolder.
Crystal is almost exactly the same (maybe, maybe vsf is slightly more AR, whats the best way to compare? outside photos?)
I forgot to remove the clasp plastic before I took photo of ORF but engraving is slightly different.
Hard to compare a well used bracelet to a brand new one, but the VSF is way more....whats the word, flexible, jangly, has better movement, when I place both on a table, the VSF sits flat (bracelet has more give) ORF sits up above the clasp, the bracelet is stiff. I actually like the ORF endlinks, VSF midlinks,ORF clasp, but that's just a first impression. Again I don't have a gen to compare to so take this with a grain of salt, I am not sure which has better brushing but most people would say ORF.
The gap between the clasp and first midlink is larger on the ORF, I noticed this right away.
Caseback teeth are different. ORF caseback has polished ring between the display crystal and the printing, more accurate.
VSF endlinks don't fit as well, not as tight, ORF endlinks are great. If you hold the vsf up to light you can see a gap.
Crownguards look very similar to my eye (not sure what all this crownguard fuss is about) except that VSF crown looks bigger from the front, that is noticeable for sure, and from the backside the crowns look the same size.
VSF crown feels almost stripped, absolute crap, ORF crown feels awesome, lots of solid threads (this reason alone is enough to avoid a VSF)
Hard to say which movement rotor is louder, both are quiet enough, maybe VSF a bit noisier.
Red printing on rotor on VSF goes right to the edge of the rotor, ORF does not.
PIP is different (not sure which is more accurate, can't find good pics of a gen, but I think the larger VSF pip is more accurate)
VSF bezel click is nicer and louder (not sure what a gen is like)
VSF bezel, slightly sharper edge/lines/machining, but it's pretty hard to tell the difference on wrist honestly.
from 12" away the bezel insert looks the same, under macro the ORF looks better?? more of a fill than a paint? not sure which is more gen like.
Thought I should post some comparison pics of it and my ORF (Jan 2022ish)
VSF is on the right.
VSF dial is ever slightly more cream, indices are definitely more yellow (more of a white dial version issue)
VSF Seamaster text on dial is lighter.
VSF Lume is slightly better, it looks in photo that minute hand is not green enough, but in the flesh it is green.
VSF dial text is noticeably bolder.
Crystal is almost exactly the same (maybe, maybe vsf is slightly more AR, whats the best way to compare? outside photos?)
I forgot to remove the clasp plastic before I took photo of ORF but engraving is slightly different.
Hard to compare a well used bracelet to a brand new one, but the VSF is way more....whats the word, flexible, jangly, has better movement, when I place both on a table, the VSF sits flat (bracelet has more give) ORF sits up above the clasp, the bracelet is stiff. I actually like the ORF endlinks, VSF midlinks,ORF clasp, but that's just a first impression. Again I don't have a gen to compare to so take this with a grain of salt, I am not sure which has better brushing but most people would say ORF.
The gap between the clasp and first midlink is larger on the ORF, I noticed this right away.
Caseback teeth are different. ORF caseback has polished ring between the display crystal and the printing, more accurate.
VSF endlinks don't fit as well, not as tight, ORF endlinks are great. If you hold the vsf up to light you can see a gap.
Crownguards look very similar to my eye (not sure what all this crownguard fuss is about) except that VSF crown looks bigger from the front, that is noticeable for sure, and from the backside the crowns look the same size.
VSF crown feels almost stripped, absolute crap, ORF crown feels awesome, lots of solid threads (this reason alone is enough to avoid a VSF)
Hard to say which movement rotor is louder, both are quiet enough, maybe VSF a bit noisier.
Red printing on rotor on VSF goes right to the edge of the rotor, ORF does not.
PIP is different (not sure which is more accurate, can't find good pics of a gen, but I think the larger VSF pip is more accurate)
VSF bezel click is nicer and louder (not sure what a gen is like)
VSF bezel, slightly sharper edge/lines/machining, but it's pretty hard to tell the difference on wrist honestly.
from 12" away the bezel insert looks the same, under macro the ORF looks better?? more of a fill than a paint? not sure which is more gen like.
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i have read about issues of the vsf crown threads stripping quite often. Even this one has a few missing threads. You can worry about all the small details all day long, but at the need of the day this ORF is really nice and the VSF crown issue isn’t worth dealing with.
I”m keeping the ORF.
I enquired about a VFS from my TD a couple of weeks ago, got told they’re not available atm so ordered a ORF. Got QC pics yesterday he’s managed to get me a VFS as originally asked. Reading this I’m stuck between a rock and hard place now weather to reject it and ask for ORF?
What do you guys think? Can you spot anything obvious that my untrained eye cant (being my first rep) that would warrant changing to ORF?
What do you guys think? Can you spot anything obvious that my untrained eye cant (being my first rep) that would warrant changing to ORF?
I have just received these from my TD who tells me the watch is VSF but the screw is there that is usually not on VSF?
Anyone any ideas?
Anyone any ideas?
Lespaulcustom5150
It is a good looking watch. I am generally not too picky and like for…..bezel pip centered, 12oclock square indices parallel, logo correct/and level. No damage to case or bezel insert, date window centered, hands in correct position so that at 12:00 they will be lined up, yours ticks al these boxes. Other people might expect that the bezel insert line up with the scallops on the bezel but this is getting a bit picky, and can be fixed yourself.
The watch having the screw adjuster near the balance wheel does say that things may be a JVS. Unless VSF has corrected this flaw and started to use the faux screw. Other people can spot the difference between VSF and JVS by looking at the bezel pip and looking at how the decorated movement plates are designed, I personally can’t remember or decipher these details.
Also google the serial number on the movement and see what pops up.
Both the VSF and ORF are great watches. My example above was for the white dial, so in that color combo my opinion was a bit skewed. All my other omegas are VSF and have been amazing. From pics online Inhave seen newer white dial VSF that have nice dial lume, so it’s still a tossup.
Hope that helps.
And try not to be too flip floppy with your TD, even if it is JVS, are JVS bad watches? The only flaw I see is the 5 in the date looks higher than the 1. Doesn’t it look like a funny “15” But maybe it’s just my eyes.
It is a good looking watch. I am generally not too picky and like for…..bezel pip centered, 12oclock square indices parallel, logo correct/and level. No damage to case or bezel insert, date window centered, hands in correct position so that at 12:00 they will be lined up, yours ticks al these boxes. Other people might expect that the bezel insert line up with the scallops on the bezel but this is getting a bit picky, and can be fixed yourself.
The watch having the screw adjuster near the balance wheel does say that things may be a JVS. Unless VSF has corrected this flaw and started to use the faux screw. Other people can spot the difference between VSF and JVS by looking at the bezel pip and looking at how the decorated movement plates are designed, I personally can’t remember or decipher these details.
Also google the serial number on the movement and see what pops up.
Both the VSF and ORF are great watches. My example above was for the white dial, so in that color combo my opinion was a bit skewed. All my other omegas are VSF and have been amazing. From pics online Inhave seen newer white dial VSF that have nice dial lume, so it’s still a tossup.
Hope that helps.
And try not to be too flip floppy with your TD, even if it is JVS, are JVS bad watches? The only flaw I see is the 5 in the date looks higher than the 1. Doesn’t it look like a funny “15” But maybe it’s just my eyes.
Helps loads thank you 
Yes I noticed the 5 looks higher but tbf that’s not a deal breaker for me. After a bit of research I would agree it does look like a JVS going off the circle behind the faux screw, ORF does not have that JVS does.
only thing that really concerns me is the purple colour on the jewel behind the faux screw or rather lack of it?
Does anyone else have any experience with JVS? Most posts on here cater for VSF or ORF.
Yes I noticed the 5 looks higher but tbf that’s not a deal breaker for me. After a bit of research I would agree it does look like a JVS going off the circle behind the faux screw, ORF does not have that JVS does. only thing that really concerns me is the purple colour on the jewel behind the faux screw or rather lack of it?
Does anyone else have any experience with JVS? Most posts on here cater for VSF or ORF.