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Big L

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sconehead said:
The sub-dial second hand is at the 6 o'clock position...

I still don't get it.. second dial hand moves through the 6.. does the following watch have the second hand at 6?

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sconehead

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No at 9. Look for the dial that goes up to 60 this means 60 seconds, the one at 6 is for hours and the one at 12 is for minutes... :)
 

Big L

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sconehead said:
No at 9. Look for the dial that goes up to 60 this means 60 seconds, the one at 6 is for hours and the one at 12 is for minutes... :)

"9"....ok... still don't get it. Sorry I'm a bit slow.

As for this tag, the sub-seconds, which is the small right dial, looks pretty complete. So, I just don't get how I can refer this to "9" or "6".

Thanks anyway
 

sconehead

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I'll try to make it clearer for you. Using your photo of the Tag,

The subdial at 6 goes up to 12, these indicate hours,

The subdial at 9 goes up to 60, these indicate seconds,

The subdial at 12 goes up to 30, these indicate minutes,

If you look at the increments on the hour subdial you'll notice they have 30 minute sub divisions, hence the minute subdial only going up to 30 minutes itself.


:)
 

Big L

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sconehead said:
I'll try to make it clearer for you. Using your photo of the Tag,

The subdial at 6 goes up to 12, these indicate hours,

The subdial at 9 goes up to 60, these indicate seconds,

The subdial at 12 goes up to 30, these indicate minutes,

If you look at the increments on the hour subdial you'll notice they have 30 minute sub divisions, hence the minute subdial only going up to 30 minutes itself.


:)

sconehead said:
The sub-dial second hand is at the 6 o'clock position...

ahhh... so if the chrno watch in question has the seconds hand "located" at the "6" o'clock position, then the 7750 movemnet is bad... Got it! thank you for your descriptive explaination.

So what's with it... has the 7750 been extensively modified to fit a watch that has a sub second dial located at 6? I'm assuming this causes extra stress on the movemnet due to the modification.

Thanks you!

BL
 

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Hey guys, so would this be something similar at what you guys are talking about, you think this would be a problem, because the sub dials dont make any sence. This is suposley a 21j china movement....

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Thank you.
 

sconehead

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pugwash said:
fakemaster said:
The seconds @6 will be fine if you maintain it.
No it won't. It's a flawed design.
Agreed, there's something like 11 extra gears utilized to move the seconds to 6 and this makes the movement underpowered. Apparently that's why the movements are unlubed and 'dry' from the factory, the lube causes too much stiction, which can stop the movement from running... :wink:
 

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hk45ca said:
i don't buy anything with the seconds at six

None?

wouldn't the non-chrono seconds-at-six 21J's be exempt from this problem?

Examples like the IWC F A Jones etc...
 

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alexrange
Post subject: Re: Which movements suck?

Hey guys, so would this be something similar at what you guys are talking about, you think this would be a problem, because the sub dials dont make any sence. This is suposley a 21j china movement....




Thank you.
Hey guys, so would this be something similar at what you guys are talking about, you think this would be a problem, because the sub dials dont make any sence. This is suposley a 21j china movement....

jgk.jpg



Thank you.


Oh, GOD!!!!! Will the Gaytona ever just go away?!?!?
 

Xyphis

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KBH said:
FA Jones uses a 6798 movement.

Thank you for the correction.

Point still stands that there are rep watches with seconds-at-six that aren't the disasters that the 7750 mod is
 

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Re: Re:

Xyphis said:
hk45ca said:
i don't buy anything with the seconds at six

None?

wouldn't the non-chrono seconds-at-six 21J's be exempt from this problem?

Examples like the IWC F A Jones etc...

i should have been more specific. any seconds at 7750 with a 3/6/9 layout and the seconds running at 6. that is the only one i am familiar with. :)
 

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fakemaster said:
It's 12 gears. :p
That's why I said 'something like', I read about seconds at 6 A7750's months ago and was quoting from memory. In future it would pay to mend your supercilious attitude to people who disagree with any comment you make, it's not big and it's not clever. By the way, that word I used was from memory also, look it up. I expect a formal apology Fakey, which will act as your public walk of shame... :p :p :p
 

sconehead

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fakemaster said:
LOL. Never gonna happen. One I have nothing to apologize for. Two I wasn't being supercilious. Three I wasn't disagreeing with you. Four...well I could go on but I think you ahould just lighten up and see the smileys.
Are seconds at 6 reliable? you said ''yes, if they are serviced'' , I said ''something like 11 gears/ not lubed at factory to lessen stiction/ if lubed the movement can stop'' your reply ''it's 12 gears'' sounds supercillious to me Fakey, by the way the apology bit was a joke, so maybe you should look through the animations so that you can see the smileys... :roll:

p.s. It takes a real man to say sorry... :wink:
 

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WTF? I typed that and looked at it in the preview window. But I knew you were joking and it seemed over the top so I made the post as you see it now. Note no edit marker. Very strange. PHP SUCKS!

Anyway I think they're decent watches. That always causes a stir with some people. But they are usually basing their opinions on the one model they owned. But I have had about 10 Daytonas pass through my hands over the years including one gen.Regardless of the number of gears I feel that if they are maintained and the chronos are used as they should be then the 7750 is a reliable movement. But that's not what happens. People let the chronos run all the time. Primarily because they hate seeing the big hand sitting still. If they want the big hand moving they need to get a non chrono watch. I might add that the gen I had was the only one that ever blew up. Go figure. :shock: