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Genestein 26470
I am only looking for a gen rotor at a reasonable price. If someone could help pm me please
You may wish to check your plots fitment. On a gen case/gen plots combination they shouldn’t protrude that way. Otherwise the watch looks passable. Good effort and it’s always good go see the older generations of ROOs being built as frankens even as AP ROOs moved into the 26238/sec@6 era. Nostalgia at its best. Congrats!
 
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I am only looking for a gen rotor at a reasonable price. If someone could help pm me please
Looks like a special build. Did you use a 26170 case?
 

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You may wish to check your plots fitment. On a gen case/gen plots combination they shouldn’t protrude that way. Otherwise the watch looks passable. Good effort and it’s always good go see the older generations of ROOs being built as frankens even as AP ROOs moved into the 26238/sec@6 era. Nostalgia at its best. Congrats!
Thank you so much! Totally agree with you on the plots, they are genuine but i do not think they are for this case, will need to figure out what to do. it took me two/three years to find all the parts, it still needs some adjustment but i am really happy with the final result.

Looks like a special build. Did you use a 26170 case?
The case is a genuine 26470. It is everything genuine except for the ceramic bezel and strap, also the rotor it is genuine because it is an AP test rotor in tungsten that AP use to test the movement before to put the final gold rotor.
 

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Thank you so much! Totally agree with you on the plots, they are genuine but i do not think they are for this case, will need to figure out what to do. it took me two/three years to find all the parts, it still needs some adjustment but i am really happy with the final result.


The case is a genuine 26470. It is everything genuine except for the ceramic bezel and strap, also the rotor it is genuine because it is an AP test rotor in tungsten that AP use to test the movement before to put the final gold rotor.
Wasn't that watch for sale here a while ago, or is that another one?
 

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Thank you so much! Totally agree with you on the plots, they are genuine but i do not think they are for this case, will need to figure out what to do. it took me two/three years to find all the parts, it still needs some adjustment but i am really happy with the final result.


The case is a genuine 26470. It is everything genuine except for the ceramic bezel and strap, also the rotor it is genuine because it is an AP test rotor in tungsten that AP use to test the movement before to put the final gold rotor.
When calling a build a “genstein”, it is important that the parts involved not only be genuine but is also correct for the model as well. Otherwise the wrong detail will stand out in the sea of everything else being accurate. Makes sense? The watch will otherwise just look weird or off when viewed holistically. That’s why I said “passable”. I can still tell that the watch isn’t genuine but it’s passable in real life, just like how a stock zf 15500 black dial will be passable in real life.

I have a set of proper 26470 gen plots. If you want them, PM me. It’ll at least allow the watch to be worn right.
 
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The case is a genuine 26470. It is everything genuine except for the ceramic bezel and strap, also the rotor it is genuine because it is an AP test rotor in tungsten that AP use to test the movement before to put the final gold rotor.
I know about the rotor, it’ll be better once replaced with a rotor that actually made it into production and not just what’s used for testing purposes. Good luck with the build as it progresses further. It’s definitely going to be worth it once all said and done.

Maybe it’s the picture but it looked like the case was missing the cuts on the crownguards as the 26470 has them but instead looked more like the 26170 midcase.
 
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When calling a build a “genstein”, it is important that the parts involved not only be genuine but is also correct for the model as well. Otherwise the wrong detail will stand out in the sea of everything else being accurate. Makes sense? The watch will otherwise just look weird or off when viewed holistically. That’s why I said “passable”. I can still tell that the watch isn’t genuine but it’s passable in real life, just like how a stock zf 15500 black dial will be passable in real life.

I have a set of proper 26470 gen plots. If you want them, PM me. It’ll at least allow the watch to be worn right.
A part of the plots and rotor, is there something else that you do not like?

I know about the rotor, it’ll be better once replaced with a rotor that actually made it into production and not just what’s used for testing purposes. Good luck with the build as it progresses further. It’s definitely going to be worth it once all said and done.

Maybe it’s the picture but it looked like the case was missing the cuts on the crownguards as the 26470 has them but instead looked more like the 26170 midcase.
In the first time I wanted to put the a3120 rotor but it doesn't fit on the gen movement, I had this test rotor in the drawer and decided to use it. But for sure it will be replace with the gold one

 

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Got two builds in progress, I‘d really be grateful for some advice on the first!

1) 15202 with gen dial

I was put in touch with a CNC case manufacturer, but it’s really hard to tell the difference between a modified ZF that can accept a gen movement and a so-called CNC case. I’ve heard conflicting things from modders, some who say there is no such thing as a CNC case, others who swear by their pricey builds! See images below of the CNC case. I have a hard time figuring out if the screws are the right size. Though it is apparent that the bezel gasket is too thick. I will say, the seller has come highly recommended and has been extremely communicative and thoughtful.



2) 5402 with gen dial

Picked up @LuminorReptar’s incredibly stunning 5402, it’s got a fantastic XF case with great screws, but I’d love to upgrade to a CNC case with gen movement…

 
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Not sure if it is still the case now and it may differ from manufacturer to manufacturer but I've heard the 15202 CNC cases are based off the ZF case and then modified to accommodate the 2121 movement rather than being based off the original AP 15202 case. Happy to be corrected.
 
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Not sure if it is still the case now and it may differ from manufacturer to manufacturer but I've heard the 15202 CNC cases are based off the ZF case and then modified to accommodate the 2121 movement rather than being based off the original AP 15202 case. Happy to be corrected.
That’s one thing I’ve heard, and as such the screws would be too large compared to gen (since that is a ZF flaw that I can’t live with if I’m putting a gen dial into a watch)
 

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Not sure if it is still the case now and it may differ from manufacturer to manufacturer but I've heard the 15202 CNC cases are based off the ZF case and then modified to accommodate the 2121 movement rather than being based off the original AP 15202 case. Happy to be corrected.
@daytonadude

I agree with rollyap, based on what I’ve seen. The so called “15202 cnc cases” are actually mass productions of a single ZF case which has been modified to take on the 2121 cal. I’ve seen variations of the case finish. And some small modifications on the engravings and such but there is nothing groundbreaking.
In short the 15202 “cnc cases” which I’ve seen are all modified and glorified zf cases. The cnc work definitely isn’t based on the gen 15202 case.
 

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I agree with rollyap, based on what I’ve seen. The so called “15202 cnc cases” are actually mass productions of a single ZF case which has been modified to take on the 2121 cal. I’ve seen variations of the case finish. And some small modifications on the engravings and such but there is nothing groundbreaking.
In short the 15202 “cnc cases” which I’ve seen are all modified and glorified zf cases. The cnc work definitely isn’t based on the gen 15202 case.

Thanks for the reply gents! Love spending more time in the AP world.

That is also what I’ve seen and the conclusion I’ve come to... One of the tells seems to be that the middle part of the mid case isn’t thinned, but the caseback is to get the overall watch to gen spec. The only question marks, as seen in the first photo, are the case screws, which do seem smaller at 3 and 9 o clock…
 

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Got two builds in progress, I‘d really be grateful for some advice on the first!

1) 15202 with gen dial

I was put in touch with a CNC case manufacturer, but it’s really hard to tell the difference between a modified ZF that can accept a gen movement and a so-called CNC case. I’ve heard conflicting things from modders, some who say there is no such thing as a CNC case, others who swear by their pricey builds! See images below of the CNC case. I have a hard time figuring out if the screws are the right size. Though it is apparent that the bezel gasket is too thick. I will say, the seller has come highly recommended and has been extremely communicative and thoughtful.



2) 5402 with gen dial

Picked up @LuminorReptar’s incredibly stunning 5402, it’s got a fantastic XF case with great screws, but I’d love to upgrade to a CNC case with gen movement…

Beauty ....
You might have to rebrush the bezel as line seems to be misaligned
 

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Looking to go franken on the AP offshore SS ruberclad.
Does anybody know if a genuine dial would fit? And also, would it fit together with a non-gen tachy ?

Kind regards
 

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Looking to go franken on the AP offshore SS ruberclad.
Does anybody know if a genuine dial would fit? And also, would it fit together with a non-gen tachy ?

Kind regards
On a base movement and case? no it wouldn't fit.
 

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Yes

yes, I was thinking to use the new TKF model as base..
Ok, its impossible or could it be done ? Also, what about the non-gen tachy?

@legend thoughts?
To answer your question directly, yes the dial will fit in the rep base and with a rep tachy. The only thing is that the datewheel will not be aligned given that the gen movement and the A7750 sec@12 movement have different datewheel positions.
In short you wouldn’t want to do that.
 

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Looking to go franken on the AP offshore SS ruberclad.
Does anybody know if a genuine dial would fit? And also, would it fit together with a non-gen tachy ?

Kind regards

Yes

yes, I was thinking to use the new TKF model as base..
Ok, its impossible or could it be done ? Also, what about the non-gen tachy?

@legend thoughts?
This hobby is less about appearances than learning, knowledge and integrity. What good is a SS RC franken if you don’t learn a thing or two on the way. The way I see it, you have 2 options: 1. head to M2M sales section; 2. start reading through years of failed attempts and glorious successes that have been well documented here (it’s no coincidence that this thread is the length of a novel). I’ll give you a tip: you’ll first need an lwo 283 movement with dd 2000 chrono module. Enjoy the ride