VSF Releases Daytona 126500 （Equipped with Dandong 4131 beta）

[MYHABIT89]

I just purchased the VSF version, now in my freinds safe until I return to England purchased from Andiot Watches, UK Stock very good TD,
reviews, on this site made my choice, the VSF movement was the main factor.
(The voice of the people) "smile"

Smart choice there.i own both Cf panda Vsf blck so i can tell why VSF still the best at sub and Daytona.crystal on vsf is good as gen no need to upgrade imo

 

[daytonadude]

I agree with you. I have chosen the VSF. Mainly due to the movement. I have purchased an APS bezel and Gen crystal for it so far. I’d also like to find a Gen crown to finish t off.

Can you share a photo of the standalone bezel and where you got it?

 

[Mikie C]

Can you share a photo of the standalone bezel and where you got it?

I haven't received it yet. I purchased it from InTime. I'll try and remember to post a picture when I do get it. Although it will be quite a while.

 

[M Scott]

I ordered a Black Dial VSF 126500 but the first QC pictures showed some issues...
- The Large Chronograph Hand was aligned slightly off center.
- The 6:00 Dial Marker was just a little too crooked.
- The Timegrapher showed good Amplitude at 293, but the Rate was + 7 s/d.
- To be honest, I think that most would still accept this QC, but I have seen better examples.

In researching the DD4131 movement Daytonas, I found a number of pictures showing the Large Chronograph Hand being aligned slightly off center. I contacted another Member who has two VSF 126500s, and he confirmed that his Large Chrono Hands can move very slightly, even by just tilting the watch from side to side.
This is what changed my mind. This may be an isolated problem with an early batch of DD4131s, but I didn't want to take that chance.

Some have speculated that VSF and Clean use the same source for Dials, but my TD says this is not true.

My TD showed me another VSF QC that was better, but I had already changed my order to a Clean 126500.
The second VSF QC...
- The Large Chronograph Hand was again aligned slightly off center, but not as far.
- The 6:00 Dial Marker was also much better.
- The Timegrapher again showed good Amplitude at 280, and the Rate was better at + 3 s/d.
- Both VSFs still have the Crown with the three dots being too large.

Then I received the QC for the Clean...
- The Large Chronograph Hand was aligned exactly in the center.
- All of the Dial Marker were straight.
- The Timegrapher showed Amplitude at 286, and the Rate was + 1 s/d.

I have done a lot of research on these Daytonas and this was not an easy choice.
I have a V3 Clean 116500 and the DD4130 in that watch winds very smoothly has been great. I also have a V3 Clean GMT with a DD3285 that has also been a great watch.

I was torn because I have had such good luck with both Clean Watches and DD Movements.
I ordered the VSF first because some said that the quality was as good as Cleans, and I also wanted the DD4131 movement.

After seeing the QC photos and doing more research, now I'm not so sure.
- Clean has been making running improvements to the SH4131 and they now call it a V2. Some also say that the winding gets smoother over time.
- VSF is better in some areas and Clean is better in others. I guess as usual, you have to do your research and then decide what details are most important to you.
- In my case I guess I traded off smoother winding, a better Rehaut finish, and a slightly better Crystal for a slightly better Dial, correct Crown, better Timegrapher results, and a Chrono Hand that will stay centered.
- I am not saying that the Clean 126500 is better than the VSF. I'm just sharing my opinion and how I made the choice that I did.

 

[chrisat]

- Clean has been making running improvements to the SH4131 and they now call it a V2. Some also say that the winding gets smoother over time.

I can confirm that the winding on my SH4131 from April has improved a lot. It felt very gritty at the beginning, as if there was sand in the movement. It's still not buttery smooth like some other movements, but it doesn't feel like something is wrong with it any longer. Someone did a good description in this thread a while ago.
I am not sure whether v2 now has a working shocking absorber or not, I have read different things here. If it does, I see no reason why it should be worse than the DD movement (unless you want to franken it). But even the v1 in my watch has been very reliable in this first 8 months.

 

[MYHABIT89]

I ordered a Black Dial VSF 126500 but the first QC pictures showed some issues...
- The Large Chronograph Hand was aligned slightly off center.
- The 6:00 Dial Marker was just a little too crooked.
- The Timegrapher showed good Amplitude at 293, but the Rate was + 7 s/d.
- To be honest, I think that most would still accept this QC, but I have seen better examples.

In researching the DD4131 movement Daytonas, I found a number of pictures showing the Large Chronograph Hand being aligned slightly off center. I contacted another Member who has two VSF 126500s, and he confirmed that his Large Chrono Hands can move very slightly, even by just tilting the watch from side to side.
This is what changed my mind. This may be an isolated problem with an early batch of DD4131s, but I didn't want to take that chance.

Some have speculated that VSF and Clean use the same source for Dials, but my TD says this is not true.

My TD showed me another VSF QC that was better, but I had already changed my order to a Clean 126500.
The second VSF QC...
- The Large Chronograph Hand was again aligned slightly off center, but not as far.
- The 6:00 Dial Marker was also much better.
- The Timegrapher again showed good Amplitude at 280, and the Rate was better at + 3 s/d.
- Both VSFs still have the Crown with the three dots being too large.

Then I received the QC for the Clean...
- The Large Chronograph Hand was aligned exactly in the center.
- All of the Dial Marker were straight.
- The Timegrapher showed Amplitude at 286, and the Rate was + 1 s/d.

I have done a lot of research on these Daytonas and this was not an easy choice.
I have a V3 Clean 116500 and the DD4130 in that watch winds very smoothly has been great. I also have a V3 Clean GMT with a DD3285 that has also been a great watch.

I was torn because I have had such good luck with both Clean Watches and DD Movements.
I ordered the VSF first because some said that the quality was as good as Cleans, and I also wanted the DD4131 movement.

After seeing the QC photos and doing more research, now I'm not so sure.
- Clean has been making running improvements to the SH4131 and they now call it a V2. Some also say that the winding gets smoother over time.
- VSF is better in some areas and Clean is better in others. I guess as usual, you have to do your research and then decide what details are most important to you.
- In my case I guess I traded off smoother winding, a better Rehaut finish, and a slightly better Crystal for a slightly better Dial, correct Crown, better Timegrapher results, and a Chrono Hand that will stay centered.
- I am not saying that the Clean 126500 is better than the VSF. I'm just sharing my opinion and how I made the choice that I did.

Me too at number 30.but it wont bother me.been through many rep and into this rep game many yrs i don’t think perfect rep is existing.there is always a chance to mod or franken.

 

[MYHABIT89]

I ordered a Black Dial VSF 126500 but the first QC pictures showed some issues...
- The Large Chronograph Hand was aligned slightly off center.
- The 6:00 Dial Marker was just a little too crooked.
- The Timegrapher showed good Amplitude at 293, but the Rate was + 7 s/d.
- To be honest, I think that most would still accept this QC, but I have seen better examples.

In researching the DD4131 movement Daytonas, I found a number of pictures showing the Large Chronograph Hand being aligned slightly off center. I contacted another Member who has two VSF 126500s, and he confirmed that his Large Chrono Hands can move very slightly, even by just tilting the watch from side to side.
This is what changed my mind. This may be an isolated problem with an early batch of DD4131s, but I didn't want to take that chance.

Some have speculated that VSF and Clean use the same source for Dials, but my TD says this is not true.

My TD showed me another VSF QC that was better, but I had already changed my order to a Clean 126500.
The second VSF QC...
- The Large Chronograph Hand was again aligned slightly off center, but not as far.
- The 6:00 Dial Marker was also much better.
- The Timegrapher again showed good Amplitude at 280, and the Rate was better at + 3 s/d.
- Both VSFs still have the Crown with the three dots being too large.

Then I received the QC for the Clean...
- The Large Chronograph Hand was aligned exactly in the center.
- All of the Dial Marker were straight.
- The Timegrapher showed Amplitude at 286, and the Rate was + 1 s/d.

I have done a lot of research on these Daytonas and this was not an easy choice.
I have a V3 Clean 116500 and the DD4130 in that watch winds very smoothly has been great. I also have a V3 Clean GMT with a DD3285 that has also been a great watch.

I was torn because I have had such good luck with both Clean Watches and DD Movements.
I ordered the VSF first because some said that the quality was as good as Cleans, and I also wanted the DD4131 movement.

After seeing the QC photos and doing more research, now I'm not so sure.
- Clean has been making running improvements to the SH4131 and they now call it a V2. Some also say that the winding gets smoother over time.
- VSF is better in some areas and Clean is better in others. I guess as usual, you have to do your research and then decide what details are most important to you.
- In my case I guess I traded off smoother winding, a better Rehaut finish, and a slightly better Crystal for a slightly better Dial, correct Crown, better Timegrapher results, and a Chrono Hand that will stay centered.
- I am not saying that the Clean 126500 is better than the VSF. I'm just sharing my opinion and how I made the choice that I did.

So you decided to get Cf ? I have Cf 126500 there are good but vsf has 3 factors will beats Cf - Rehaut extremely close to gen - DD movement- Crystal. The rest is up to you

 

[daytonadude]

Biggest issue for me is the case shape. Lugs are sooooo thin on VSF. but I need a gen to compare!

 

[MYHABIT89]

Biggest issue for me is the case shape. Lugs are sooooo thin on VSF. but I need a gen to compare!

You should look up Steve posted a comparison a month ago all factory and gen

 

[daytonadude]

You should look up Steve posted a comparison a month ago all factory and gen

 

[Jazz01]

To my experience the QC timegrapher pictures are just an indication but have always differed from the accuracy when I hold the watch in my hands. The QC pics are usually only showing info in one position and even when you would get pics of all 6 positions the accuracy will differ based on individual wearing behavior. Amplitude and beat rate are far more important for me than rate/s.

I usually wear a watch a couple of weeks/2-3 months and then try to regulate based on my own wearing behavior (i.e. I would e.g. need to regulate +2sec in order to get ~0sec when wearing or vice-a-versa).

 

[M Scott]

So you decided to get Cf ? I have Cf 126500 there are good but vsf has 3 factors will beats Cf - Rehaut extremely close to gen - DD movement- Crystal. The rest is up to you

Yes sir, I'm going with the Clean based partly my QC pictures, and partly on research.

These two watches are so close that, to be honest, if the Dial Quality and the Large Chronograph Hand Alignment had been better in my QC pictures, I would have stayed with the VSF. These were the most important details to me.

- In my post, I also listed your three factors that are slightly better with a VSF 126500.
- Then I listed at least three factors that I found better with the Clean version. The Dial Quality, The Crown Dots, and the Large Chrono Hand Alignment, which may be an issue with the DD4130. The Shape of the Case Lugs and the Timegrapher results could also be factors.

Trade offs?
- The VSF Rehaut is better, but the Case Lugs are too thin?
- The Three Dots on the VSF Crown are too big, but the Crystal is better?
- The DD4131 Movement winds smoother, but may have an issue with the Large Chrono Hand Alignment?
- The SH4131 winds rougher, but seems to be more accurate?
- The Clean Dial Quality can be better than VSF depending on the Production Batch.

 

[MYHABIT89]

Yes sir, I'm going with the Clean based partly my QC pictures, and partly on research.

These two watches are so close that, to be honest, if the Dial Quality and the Large Chronograph Hand Alignment had been better in my QC pictures, I would have stayed with the VSF. These were the most important details to me.

- In my post, I also listed your three factors that are slightly better with a VSF 126500.
- Then I listed at least three factors that I found better with the Clean version. The Dial Quality, The Crown Dots, and the Large Chrono Hand Alignment, which may be an issue with the DD4130. The Shape of the Case Lugs and the Timegrapher results could also be factors.

Trade offs?
- The VSF Rehaut is better, but the Case Lugs are too thin?
- The Three Dots on the VSF Crown are too big, but the Crystal is better?
- The DD4131 Movement winds smoother, but may have an issue with the Large Chrono Hand Alignment?
- The SH4131 winds rougher, but seems to be more accurate?
- The Clean Dial Quality can be better than VSF depending on the Production Batch.

I do have both versions in my hand. my clean in servicing the tube came off with the crown while im turning it.6 months old.i can tell you that the sub dial on clean a half tone darker than gen.( my client has a gen version so i had a chance to compared)vsf nailed the sub dial color.so if you say rehaut finishing isnt important you are totally wrong specially on black versions.that you can’t change.sub dials hand isnt accurate that we can change.crown dots isn’t correct that we can change.IF TO TRADE OFF DD MOVEMENT FOR SH IS VERY DUMB THING TO SAY.i can tell you right now sh need service as soon as possible.it is roughs and rotor heavy feeling.a few parts on SH movements isn’t fully clone like DD.so you tell me how accurate it could be?im not saying CF isn’t good but it is before VSF released.how many people could tell the lugs size different? but i can guarantee you the rehaut is the place many people can spot out.but however it is your personal choices.and i just saying the difference

 

[Reaps]

Idk but my SH from my 126506 Clean winds as well as my DD4131 and keeps to about +5s/day. Purchased Nov this year.

 

[Reaps]

Like we say. Rep movement is rep movement just a matter of whoever assembled it that day and if they were mad or not

 

[aHero]

Like we say. Rep movement is rep movement just a matter of whoever assembled it that day and if they were mad or not

Who would be mad about competitive wages and great health and retirement benefits while assembling rep watches?

 

[rockdaytona]

I do have both versions in my hand. my clean in servicing the tube came off with the crown while im turning it.6 months old.i can tell you that the sub dial on clean a half tone darker than gen.( my client has a gen version so i had a chance to compared)vsf nailed the sub dial color.so if you say rehaut finishing isnt important you are totally wrong specially on black versions.that you can’t change.sub dials hand isnt accurate that we can change.crown dots isn’t correct that we can change.IF TO TRADE OFF DD MOVEMENT FOR SH IS VERY DUMB THING TO SAY.i can tell you right now sh need service as soon as possible.it is roughs and rotor heavy feeling.a few parts on SH movements isn’t fully clone like DD.so you tell me how accurate it could be?im not saying CF isn’t good but it is before VSF released.how many people could tell the lugs size different? but i can guarantee you the rehaut is the place many people can spot out.but however it is your personal choices.and i just saying the difference

So you prefer VSF?

 

[MYHABIT89]

So you prefer VSF?

I am.

 

[M Scott]

so if you say rehaut finishing isnt important you are totally wrong specially on black versions.that you can’t change.

I didn't say that the Rehaut finishing was not important. It just isn't as important to me as it is to you.
The Rehaut is an important detail for you, but the Lug Shape is important to others. Both are details that you can't change.
If the Rehaut is as good or better than my Clean 116500, then I will be happy.

IF TO TRADE OFF DD MOVEMENT FOR SH IS VERY DUMB THING TO SAY.

You really don't have to call me Dumb just because my experience and research is different than yours.
I said before that I first preferred the DD4131, but my QC pictures all showed a possible problem with the Large Chrono Hand.

I think that you somehow missed my biggest point...
- My QC pictures showed the Large Chrono Hand aligned slightly off center on two different VSFs.
- I found a number of other VSF 126500 pictures that showed the same Hand slightly off center.
- Another Member told me that both of his VSF DD4131s have this same issue. He said that the Hand can move slightly, all of the time, just by tilting the watch from side to side.
- In the quote from a TD below, they mention that Clean put an extra effort into fixing "problems like chronograph hand wrongly zeroing on SH4130" and they say that "The stability of this movement is much better after testing". This was said almost a year ago, long before the running improvements to the V2 SH4131 were made by Clean.
- It sounds to me like Clean has put some extra effort into making sure that the Chrono hands work properly.

This SH4131 was built based on SH4130 and has 75h power reserve. Clean took part in the movement building with SH(Jinghe) movement factory and in charge of the movement polishing, plating, engraving and assembling. This means Clean has the exclusivity to SH4131 movement.

Clean has done a lot of improvements on SH4131, such as overall polishing, reshaping oscillating rotor, upgrading the rotor bearing, rebuilding the auto device bridge, changed the shock absorbing part of the balance wheel... The problems like chronograph hand wrongly zeroing on SH4130 will be solved this time. The stability of this movement is much better after testing.

This movement is a true clone of 4131, we can see no much difference on the parts, and polishing is much better than other SH movement. It’s almost competitive with DD4130.

Idk but my SH from my 126506 Clean winds as well as my DD4131 and keeps to about +5s/day. Purchased Nov this year.

Thank you for your input Sir... If this is what I get, and the Large Chrono Hand stays centered, then I will be happy with my choice.

 

[Bobi01]

Like we say. Rep movement is rep movement just a matter of whoever assembled it that day and if they were mad or not

This 1000%