VSF PAM88

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A couple of reviews of the newest PAM088 by VS

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VS沛纳海 Luminor GMT 44毫米 PAM088 经典回归_腾讯视频 (qq.com)
VS厂pam088两地时GMT44mm_腾讯视频 (qq.com)
张先生评表1.VS.pam088GMT_腾讯视频 (qq.com)

The movement is based off VS's own P9xxx series movement
The GMT hand is 12 hours

 

[blim]

The GMT hand is 12 hours

One of the sellers seems to say that the GMT is 24 hours.
Might have to wait for a few more reviews to confirm if it's modified as a 12 or 24hr hand

 

[KSwatches]

Some real life pictures for those interested.

Cape cod polish cloth treatment on CG required.

 

[Sharki06]

you can clearly see it's a 12 hours GMT of how the hand move when he does some time settings

here you will see :

start position :
Time : 2:00
GMT : 10:00

final position :
Time : 6:00
GMT : 18:00

so by moving by 4 hours the time settings, that will move the GMT time by 8 hours !

so 100% is a 12 hours GMT ....

very disapointing between the CG not polished and this bad GMT settings

i finally pass on this one, hope they will correct all this stupid flaws , they can made it perfect if they want (they have all the needed part for it ..)

 

[Replisimio]

They have not done a good job on this. Why they cannot set the 7750 up like gen is a puzzle. Gen is quickset of course.
Lume colour is too green, dial is flat in colour, sub dial too silver, cg wrong, clasp finish wrong. Vsf’s worst rep to date sadly.


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[KOT1917]

In the description on the link, there was an indication that it was 7750, so I treated the watch like that. With clone p.9001, this is another pointless purchase. :facepalm:

A very good question to Trusty, why is it described on its website as 7750. I didn’t buy, but if I trusted the description and bought it and received another movt., I would be extremely upset.

 

[mrsullivan]

Yes, too many major flaws are showing up here. The CG was not so much of a problem to change, but the 12h GMT is too much to me, disappointing indeed. I may change my order to another model in the end...

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[Altoronto]

Yep, it looks like it’s the same movement as in vsf 320 and 531


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[Rx4Time]

If this is correct about the GMT hand that is just unacceptable. Especially considering that the 7750 with GMT is a readily available movement.

 

[Replisimio]

Not sure what has possessed them to do this. It could have been a good release especially as said the movement is so easy to get!
We need to see a full rotation of the hands to be sure I guess.


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[Rx4Time]

Some real life pictures for those interested.

Cape cod polish cloth treatment on CG required.

Is it possible to confirm if the GMT hand is a 12 or 24-hour rotation?

 

[Altoronto]

From the video link above is 12hr GMT


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[mrsullivan]

Not sure what has possessed them to do this. It could have been a good release especially as said the movement is so easy to get!
We need to see a full rotation of the hands to be sure I guess.


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Well, on the videos we clearly see the GMT hand going along with the hour hand. This is really a miss from VSF if this is confirmed.
I'm still waiting for my QC pics to take my decision, I'll ask for more details to Andrew.

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[KSwatches]

Is it possible to confirm if the GMT hand is a 12 or 24-hour rotation?

Sorry, I don’t know what is 12hrs and 24hrs.

All I know, is the The vsf movement functionality IS different to noob pam088 movement (which I also have).

On noob movement you can cycle the date manually using the middle crown position. This is not possible on the VSF. It’s a different movement. I have no idea which is more gen. lol. I have many gen gmt watches, mainly omega and Rolex and I never use the GMT function. I can try to post video if it helps.

 

[KSwatches]

Well, on the videos we clearly see the GMT hand going along with the hour hand. This is really a miss from VSF if this is confirmed.
I'm still waiting for my QC pics to take my decision, I'll ask for more details to Andrew.

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Correct. The gmt hand moves in sync with the hour hand (don’t know if this is what you call 12hr or 24hrs) and don’t know if this is right or wrong for this particular PAM.

Also, Not possible to move gmt hand independently (same as gen Rolex and Omega GMT).

Not possible to cycle date manually via second crown position (annoying if you have to go from 1st to 31st).

Second crown position only moves the hour hand (forwards or backwards).

Hope this helps.

I take it the new strap is bad as well? ????

Maybe I am used t Rolex but magnification seems nonexistent

If gmt is important to you then give this one a miss.

If you like the look of a good Classic 44mm PAM and use iPhone or quick mental arithmetic for telling the time abroad, and you regret selling your old noob watch, then might want to try this.

 

[Hazing]

Especially with the 24 hour indicator on the outer edge of the dial.

Is it possible tehy overlooked this? If ordering this and expecting it to be accurate only to get this, I'd be very upset.

VSF does a great job but they sure do make a number of silly silly mistakes.

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[Replisimio]

Sorry, I don’t know what is 12hrs and 24hrs.

All I know, is the The vsf movement functionality IS different to noob pam088 movement (which I also have).

On noob movement you can cycle the date manually using the middle crown position. This is not possible on the VSF. It’s a different movement. I have no idea which is more gen. lol. I have many gen gmt watches, mainly omega and Rolex and I never use the GMT function. I can try to post video if it helps.

Thanks for that bud. The Noob is correct to gen in that respect. Vsf have fitted completely the wrong movement into this rep! What a shame.


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[KOT1917]

24 and 12 is the number of hours in which the GMT hand completes the circle. Dial 088 is marked at 24 hours, so the GMT hand makes a circle in a day.
This is a function of the commonplace 7750 with a gmt module. The vsf clone, which was installed on later models, the GMT hand makes a full circle in 12 hours, which, of course, makes little sense without the day / night indicator, but on the other hand, it makes it possible to "hide" the gmt hand, by the hand of the hour, and thereby do the dial is "cleaner" because they run parallel.

I think, first of all, it's not about who uses what (I never use a chronograph, as I probably do, and anyone who uses a rep AP, for example), but talking about how GEN works.

Rolex, AP, always had slightly specific movts., And a replica without gen functions was normal for a long time, but with pam the situation is exactly the opposite. However, okay, this is generally clear.

Yes cyclops panerai, it's 1.5 and not close to rolex.

There are no questions about this strap, but the buckle of the crocodile strap must be polished. Although, I don't think they will be worn too much.

 

[KOT1917]

Especially with the 24 hour indicator on the outer edge of the dial.

Is it possible tehy overlooked this? If ordering this and expecting it to be accurate only to get this, I'd be very upset.

VSF does a great job but they sure do make a number of silly silly mistakes.

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I think they know everything and understand, but they don't want to buy 7750 with gmt, but their clone pays off. And we, that we ... Someone knows the difference, but most of the consumers, probably not. Well, or as KS said, for those who sold NOOB and want a new one, but only buy new / not used watches.

 

[sukwonee]

12 hour cycling hand is just an hour hand lol. So effectively this watch has 2 hour hands. Might come useful actually if you're trying to track two different time zones.