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VSF new PAM213 with working Rattrapante chrono

mysterio

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Mysterio, see all pics, there are parts where the track looks narrower.
Could be a problem due to the distortion of the crystal dome ??
Thoughts??

ALE

That might be ALE, because it would be so disappointing to ruin the release of the rattrapante movement with such an obvious flaw. Hopefully some watches will get to the buyers and we'll know for sure. :)
 

ALE7575

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Thanks @mysterio
Anyway, although the differences come from the crystals, they are present and we can look them
I have seen also some inaccuracies on dial layout, having bad placement of the white dial inscriptions
But maybe are also due to the distortion

ALE
 

The Tourist

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I don't know why but the nameservers at qq.com are not resolving this domain.

It's a Chinese video portal, and sometimes Chinese sites are known to make "troubles" like these. Try several times, then it works!
 

The Tourist

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btw... what is this site?? Is it the official VSF "store"? ..can't believe that ;)

http://www.vsfwatch.com/

but here also, be aware, that this site has some loading issues! As said above, try to load several times.
 

plaifender

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Good points. But a functional rattrapante is cool enough to merit a buy regardless of the case back. The surprise here is that they chose to go for a rattrapante/doppelchronograph functioning movement before releasing a flyback movement.

Regarding your comment on 213/253, you are incorrect. The rattrapante limited edition from 2007 was Model 286. Similar to the 253 fkyback except with rattrapante movement.

The 253 is the special edition a fly back from 2006 similar to the 212.

Honestly, are you guys more excited because it might be a more accurate watch? or because it's got working chrono?

Does it really even matter if rattrapante/ flyback is working or not? 99% of you guys are so afraid to run it in case movement breaks anyways it makes it a moot point really.

As for being accurate rep, the movement's gonna be way way off. Doesn't that mean if you guys liked the watch, you would have gotten the old version 213 / 253 already? Since either way, no one is really gonna call you out on the dial for 99% of the Pams.

This is not directed to any of you in anyway. Just trying to understand the mentality of creating another "good" rep and not a "super" rep as according to Ale's Guide kinda makes no sense.
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plaifender

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Mysterio, see all pics, there are parts where the track looks narrower.
Could be a problem due to the distortion of the crystal dome ??
Thoughts??

ALE
I opine the same. I think it's distortion more than anything. The biggest flaw on all releases up until now has been a very sad one and it's that these domed panerais have ALL been released with mineral crystal and not genuine sapphire crystal. It's especially annoying since this crystal is more prone to bumps and scratches as it sits above the watch surface of the bezel.

I've had 4 or 5 since 2006 and all have gotten scratched no matter how hard I try to keep them perfect. I started a crystal project a few years back if you all remember but my sample crystal ended up getting stolen by wholesaleoutlet990 and they used an incorrect crystal shape to start production without consulting me and left me with an unsatisfactory crystal and my hard earned work down the drain.
 

Hyjynx

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This new maker needs to understand $688 is rather high for a panerai rep, even with a functional rattrappante complication. A more reasonable price will ensure it gets a good chunk of the competitive rep market.
 

mujidominic

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I agree, it needs to be at super rep level, and have that high dome real sapphire

Let's hope they'll do other Pam references with closed case backs
 

bangsters

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Look at their new PAM's (441, 1312, 312 etc) I think they can be called more than just "accurate" reps. It is always good and welcome when the factory is trying to introduce fundamentally new..

I don't think they (VSF) came out with 1312 yet right? I believe zf 1312 is the most accurate one at the moment. Or did vsf release the 1312 as well?
 

WatchnScotch

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This new maker needs to understand $688 is rather high for a panerai rep, even with a functional rattrappante complication. A more reasonable price will ensure it gets a good chunk of the competitive rep market.
The issue is you have no idea what it cost them to replicate the movement or the additional cost to the watch. There are lots of reps that have high price tags.

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bangsters

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So far I can only find it available in trusty website. Maybe other TDs will carry it soon.
 

Hyjynx

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The issue is you have no idea what it cost them to replicate the movement or the additional cost to the watch. There are lots of reps that have high price tags.

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I don't know and it doesn't matter to me what it cost them. If they're hoping to recoup it all in one rep that's a bad business strategy and, honestly is price gouging. A rattrappante complication is not an obvious enhancement in a Pam rep. At this price, I'll pass.
 

WatchnScotch

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I don't know and it doesn't matter to me what it cost them. If they're hoping to recoup it all in one rep that's a bad business strategy and, honestly is price gouging. A rattrappante complication is not an obvious enhancement in a Pam rep. At this price, I'll pass.

Interesting idea, but you don't buy a Porsche for a Honda price in the real world so why would this be any different? They run a business and if the watch cost them 3 times the cost to make, they are going to charge 3 times as much.
 

Subman

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A working rattrapante - awe and bewilderment ! :)

Is there a column wheel ?!?