VSF 126610 Submariner with VS3235 Latest Movement 72 Hours Power Reserve

[FiliGelli]

Just for info guys.
I have two vsf 126610LN.
One is the first batch with the clasp code H7Z and one the second butch with clasp code 1LQ.
Yesterday i removed the stickers from the newest one and i noticed a lot of differences.
They comes from the same TD.
The cyclop is much better on the 1QL with a much visible halo effect.
The crystal is a little bit taller on the 1QL as gen.
The bezel of the 1QL has a smooth teeth finish compared to the H7Z.
The rehaut is better finished on the 1QL with a very good engravings and a shiner surface.
The Dial of the 1QL has less "liquid effect" on the edge and on the central hole.
The case is different because i tryed the H7Z bracelet on the 1QL case and the sels fit loose(bracelet are not interchangeable).
The clasp is better finished on 1QL with correct shape of the regulation scallops but the action of the regulation is better on the H7Z clasp.
The bracelet of the H7Z without clasp seems more solid, really close to the gen(i have an hulk gen so i know the feeling).
The movements seems the same but i had to regulate them after receiving the watches. Now they run 0/+1 day.
That's what i noticed.
I don't know if it means somethings but the second one with 1QL had a number 15 on the caseback's sticker.
They are both incredible on the wirst considering that i tryed the gen in the Rolex Ad.
I had a tons of reps but this model is the best ootb that i have ever had.
The franken kingdom is about to fall...

 

[FiliGelli]

Crystal height
Gen

1QL

H7Z

Cyclops(same light conditions)
1QL

H7Z

 

[SS72]

I don't have the VSF 126610, so can't provide any input, but thanks for taking the time to share this info.

 

[Rehaut19]

I have two vsf subs, but one is 116610 first batch, the other 126610 second batch (1LQ). The crystals between the two watches are different, the first batch 116610LN has more blue reflections, the one of the 126610LV instead seems gen. I have two vsfs coming up from Jtime and the QCs are showing very gen like crystals.

 

[Jayalvin777]

I have two vsf subs, but one is 116610 first batch, the other 126610 second batch (1LQ). The crystals between the two watches are different, the first batch 116610LN has more blue reflections, the one of the 126610LV instead seems gen. I have two vsfs coming up from Jtime and the QCs are showing very gen like crystals.

I have a gen xtal on my 116610ln and the crystal is as blue as the stock vsf 116610ln . Also the 126xxx is coated different.

 

[japer]

Does anyone know if this watch takes a genuine xtal? And if so: which?

 

[bertieng]

KJ2020
How did you remove the rotor of 3235 for servicing? It seems that its mechanism is different to that of the 3135 where the rotor is engaged with a lever.
Thanks

 

[KJ2020]

KJ2020
How did you remove the rotor of 3235 for servicing? It seems that its mechanism is different to that of the 3135 where the rotor is engaged with a lever.
Thanks

https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/rolex-tudor-replicas/9697886-make-a-rotor-removal-tool-diy

You could just remove the 2 screws to the automatic bridge also bro. It can be taken apart for cleaning while still attached to the rotor if necessary.

 

[bertieng]

This is confusing.
Didn't VSF make an announcement that their 3235 if being timegraph at a lift angle of 52° will not have an amplitude greater than 200°? Moreover, they stressed that if the amplitude is above 270° at an lift angle of 52° it means the movement is not a true VS3235.
But I have seen so many QC pics with amplitudes way above 270° at 52° lift angles here.
Do I understand this correctly?

 

[srhoque]

Just for info guys.
I have two vsf 126610LN.
One is the first batch with the clasp code H7Z and one the second butch with clasp code 1LQ.
Yesterday i removed the stickers from the newest one and i noticed a lot of differences.
They comes from the same TD.
The cyclop is much better on the 1QL with a much visible halo effect.
The crystal is a little bit taller on the 1QL as gen.
The bezel of the 1QL has a smooth teeth finish compared to the H7Z.
The rehaut is better finished on the 1QL with a very good engravings and a shiner surface.
The Dial of the 1QL has less "liquid effect" on the edge and on the central hole.
The case is different because i tryed the H7Z bracelet on the 1QL case and the sels fit loose(bracelet are not interchangeable).
The clasp is better finished on 1QL with correct shape of the regulation scallops but the action of the regulation is better on the H7Z clasp.
The bracelet of the H7Z without clasp seems more solid, really close to the gen(i have an hulk gen so i know the feeling).
The movements seems the same but i had to regulate them after receiving the watches. Now they run 0/+1 day.
That's what i noticed.
I don't know if it means somethings but the second one with 1QL had a number 15 on the caseback's sticker.
They are both incredible on the wirst considering that i tryed the gen in the Rolex Ad.
I had a tons of reps but this model is the best ootb that i have ever had.
The franken kingdom is about to fall...

Thanks for taking the time to educate us with this write-up, much appreciated!! I have the 126610 Kermit 1LQ and did notice that the clasp action is stiffer than gen. But its a non-issue for me. I got to hold a gen last week and I do agree the VSF overall is well replicated.

 

[KJ2020]

I have two vsf subs, but one is 116610 first batch, the other 126610 second batch (1LQ). The crystals between the two watches are different, the first batch 116610LN has more blue reflections, the one of the 126610LV instead seems gen. I have two vsfs coming up from Jtime and the QCs are showing very gen like crystals.

As good as the VSF crystals are, sadly they suffer from cyclops distortion at slight angle off views. This will likely drive me to replace the crystal with a gen since something this flawed is not up to the standards of a rep this good. You can't make a $34 Clark's crystal with AR cyclops display ANY distortion at any angle of view. The VSF cyclops has some aspect of its vertical edges that reflect and bend light in an impure way.

 

[YellowFin]

As good as the VSF crystals are, sadly they suffer from cyclops distortion at slight angle off views. This will likely drive me to replace the crystal with a gen since something this flawed is not up to the standards of a rep this good. You can't make a $34 Clark's crystal with AR cyclops display ANY distortion at any angle of view. The VSF cyclops has some aspect of its vertical edges that reflect and bend light in an impure way.

Even dead straight, it's impossible to take a 100% sharp image of the datewheel. Noticed this while shooting macros for my reviews. My VSF 116610LN and the VSF Datejust are getting a gen crystal, for the 126610 this isn't possible at the moment.

 

[srhoque]

This is confusing.
Didn't VSF make an announcement that their 3235 if being timegraph at a lift angle of 52° will not have an amplitude greater than 200°? Moreover, they stressed that if the amplitude is above 270° at an lift angle of 52° it means the movement is not a true VS3235.
But I have seen so many QC pics with amplitudes way above 270° at 52° lift angles here.
Do I understand this correctly?

With the watch fully wound and being face up, the amplitude of the 3235 will be higher since its got a higher lift angle (gen has 55).

All this said, never believe any TD provided timegrapher data. I think they just cycle these same images

 

[KJ2020]

This is confusing.
Didn't VSF make an announcement that their 3235 if being timegraph at a lift angle of 52° will not have an amplitude greater than 200°? Moreover, they stressed that if the amplitude is above 270° at an lift angle of 52° it means the movement is not a true VS3235.
But I have seen so many QC pics with amplitudes way above 270° at 52° lift angles here.
Do I understand this correctly?

The original article about that issue was pretty confusing. The gen balance lift angle is 55 so that's what should be used IMO.

Setting a lower lift angle will result in a lower amplitude, so readings at 52 will be 10-15° higher amplitude at 55. It shouldn't change the s/d appreciably.

Article credit Jayalvin777

English:
The 3235 movement released by the VS factory has the same 59° as the original product( as per information lifting angle is 55 on gen) . This point needs to be explained. It is not the common 52° in the market. This is also the difference between the market version and the VS factory. Modulate the lift angle data to 59°, and watch the data in 20 seconds. If the lift angle is set to 52°, the full string swing is higher than 270°, it must not be the VS factory 3235 and genuine 3235 movements. If it is set to 52 degrees, the swing of the submariner of the VS factory is less than two hundred


Chinese:
VS厂发布的3235机芯摆轮升角是和正品一样的59°，这一点需要说明，不是市场常见的52°，这也是市 场版本和VS厂不一样的地方，上校表仪的时候，记得把升角数据调制59°，走时20秒看数据，如果设置了5 2°升角上满弦摆幅高于270°的必定不是VS厂3235和正品3235机芯。如果设置52度，那么VS厂 的水鬼摆幅是不到两百的。关于指针以及中轴，夜明珠，刻度等不再描述​​​​​

 

[KJ2020]

Even dead straight, it's impossible to take a 100% sharp image of the datewheel. Noticed this while shooting macros for my reviews. My VSF 116610LN and the VSF Datejust are getting a gen crystal, for the 126610 this isn't possible at the moment.

I'm pretty sure the rep VSF 126610's will take a gen B25-295-c12-c1 bro. I haven't popped mine out yet as there's always risk removing a bezel and insert, but I measured it in place and the upper step of the stairstep edge profile is 30.5mm, same as gen 116610 crystals. It's the lower stairstep where the gasket sits that's 29.5mm, a number always found in the part number. I think it's more likely than not that rep factories would not have changed the insert or crystal sizes on 126610's, just for sourcing and cost reasons.

 

[Rehaut19]

As good as the VSF crystals are, sadly they suffer from cyclops distortion at slight angle off views. This will likely drive me to replace the crystal with a gen since something this flawed is not up to the standards of a rep this good. You can't make a $34 Clark's crystal with AR cyclops display ANY distortion at any angle of view. The VSF cyclops has some aspect of its vertical edges that reflect and bend light in an impure way.

yes, unfortunately I noticed this problem but, until I decide to send mine to the watchmaker to make this mod, we can live with it

On the 116610LN I don't have the distortion, I hope it's the same with the YM and the Hulk on the way.

 

[FiliGelli]

Thanks for taking the time to educate us with this write-up, much appreciated!! I have the 126610 Kermit 1LQ and did notice that the clasp action is stiffer than gen. But its a non-issue for me. I got to hold a gen last week and I do agree the VSF overall is well replicated.

it's a pleasure mate.
maybe it helps some member

 

[YellowFin]

I'm pretty sure the rep VSF 126610's will take a gen B25-295-c12-c1 bro. I haven't popped mine out yet as there's always risk removing a bezel and insert, but I measured it in place and the upper step of the stairstep edge profile is 30.5mm, same as gen 116610 crystals. It's the lower stairstep where the gasket sits that's 29.5mm, a number always found in the part number. I think it's more likely than not that rep factories would not have changed the insert or crystal sizes on 126610's, just for sourcing and cost reasons.

Good news, let us know if you give it a try.

 

[WatchSmith.US]

Looking at my 126610 and my gen GMT II, I see a similar cyclops distortion on the gen. It’s not something I ever noticed.

 

[StreetFighter]

This is confusing.
Didn't VSF make an announcement that their 3235 if being timegraph at a lift angle of 52° will not have an amplitude greater than 200°? Moreover, they stressed that if the amplitude is above 270° at an lift angle of 52° it means the movement is not a true VS3235.
But I have seen so many QC pics with amplitudes way above 270° at 52° lift angles here.
Do I understand this correctly?

That's a VS3135.. I only posted it to show that 0s/d is not unheard of, I have one.