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TWP Finally replied about my missing watch!!!!!

seank

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@Dave123456789 I swear you do the best you can to stir it up. Anyway WBK is still a "Dealer" here. You might see them as mods (I think I've addressed this before) but they are not. They can only mod their respective sections. Please Dave we enjoy your free spirit but don't abuse.

PS I take exception to you implying that we knew TWP would go postal on every rep board. Give me a break. you think we knew he would start to pop ativan and percs like it was his job?





Sean K
 

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:lol: :lol: :lol: Klink kills me. I guess HU is the "6th sense king".
 

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It really ticks me off when our fellow members get ripped off and it seems like it is always the same excuses for failure to perform. "My Kid is sick, Aunt nearly dead, wife choked on semen, Feds raided my bungalo etc..." It is a very easy thing to
prove if a person has indeed been raided by the police or feds, and if this is really true, then TWP owes it to all of the forum members who lost money to prove it by blocking out personal info and show evidence of being raided, news item, copy of search warrant, etc., otherwise it seems like a lie. I am not saying he is lying, but if he cannot back up this claim, then there is nothing else to think about.
 

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guess the only solution is to license dealers..

problem is who monitors?

the Feds? that might cause a problem or two..

I vote for reservations, polygraph, blood oath, and the mafia..

course, those who spend a lot on reps might get a visit from that good old boy..

Kneecap Kelly..

Kneecap recently replaced Dead Fish Guido, some kind of power play to raise prices..

Life is Good!

Klink

:D
 

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Bigrahizzle said:
Well i reiceved an Email from TWP today and this is what he wrote me.

"Raheel

Selling counterfeit watches and keeping them in your possesion is illegal in this country. What can i do when the government comes to my home and takes the watches? That is the chance we all take in this game. Your $500 dollar loss is nothing when it equates to my $20000 dollar loss of inventory and another $15000 USD attorney fees. Your watch is gone and will always be gone. Now after shelling out $35000 K on this hobby (all in losses) your watch is pretty small in the whole equation! Again it is the chance we all take.


T"

Holy S h i t ! (Thanks sub4me)

I have been chewing on a leather strap like a Cowboy with a gunshot wound throughout this whole thing. Which is unusual for me. I have not said anything about this primarily because I never had any dealings with TWP. But also because, we live in a world where no one wants to be accountable for their actions. Discussing the topic of personal responsibility tends to cause friction. People often attack you rather than deal with the problem which is them. And to be quite honest, the whole thing was stupid. I couldn't believe that he was getting the sympathy he was. No one twisted his arm and made him pop pills, drink or mess around on his wife. They were all personal choices.

Bigrahizzle. I can't believe he is actually comparing the 35k that he CHOSE to spend on the hobby to your $500 watch. that you sent him because he believed you he CHOSE not to make good on. You sent him money in good faith. He had a responsibility to follow through at that point and failed, His personal issues have no place in the equation. As I have said before. If you can't take care of business, then you need to stop all commerce until you can.

The big thing as HU said, is that some people had been screwed by him. But they were afraid to say anything because he was a respected dealer and they didn't want to take the flaming. But if they had then maybe some people could have been spared. As you know, I have no problem calling a dealer or anyone else out. And God knows I have taken some flaming. We are a community and we need to look out for each other. People make a choice to buy from a dealer based on what they read. And they would still be buying from him had this issue never been brought to light. If something needs to be said then it should be no matter what dealer it is. Remember, they have YOUR money. The burden of proof is on them NOT you. Now I'm not saying you should go on a rampage and attack people. You don't need to. I don't like seeing threads spin out of control like they do. Just lay it out as matter of factly as you can. All you have to do is supply the rope. If they're a good person, there will be resolution. If they're a bad person, they will show their true colors rather quickly.

Sadly, this one is history and the chances of complete and or any resolution are pretty slim. His site is still up but fortunayely, we all know about the problem now. I think the evidence is strong enough to warrant a waning not to purchase from him. So if anyone decides to buy from him at this point and gets screwed, there is no one to blame.
 

cybee

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So if his site (Watchgroup) is still up and running and still selling watches, whoever is running the show there still has the capabilities to provide the members here the watches they have already paid for. Right???

He tells Bigrahizzle, "Your watch is gone", yet they still sell watches to their website customers??? Still making money. :?
 

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Fakes, he's been removed as a dealer here, what more warning does the membership need?
 

LegendofSpeed

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cybee said:
So if his site (Watchgroup) is still up and running and still selling watches, whoever is running the show there still has the capabilities to provide the members here the watches they have already paid for. Right???

He tells Bigrahizzle, "Your watch is gone", yet they still sell watches to their website customers??? Still making money. :?

The website seems to be a partnership (watchGROUP) but then TWP dropped out of that... it seems anyone who ordered a watch on the website got theirs... is there anyone for who this is not true? Please pm me...

It seems the issue at hand is those who dealt with TWP through the board or by personal e-mail....

To me though, the guy responding who says he was TWP's partner paints a picture of of someone who would not have $20k worth of items on hand... but then, if he was figuring the retail price, that would be 40 watches (he sold them for $500 right)... sounds about right for the number he was plaining to put out there for the "Respect" sale...

So, it's either lies or someone dropped a dime on TWP... and I feel it may be more likely the lies as the website is still up... at the very least, if your former partner got popped, you would think you would lay low.... JMHO....
 

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seank1 said:
@Dave123456789 I swear you do the best you can to stir it up. Anyway WBK is still a "Dealer" here. You might see them as mods (I think I've addressed this before) but they are not. They can only mod their respective sections. Please Dave we enjoy your free spirit but don't abuse.

PS I take exception to you implying that we knew TWP would go postal on every rep board. Give me a break. you think we knew he would start to pop ativan and percs like it was his job?





Sean K

Hey Seank123456789,

I didn't imply anything other then stating once he dissapeared,it was known (by me anyway,take that as you will) that he wouldn't be back,and finally after all this time,he confirmed it....you can take exception to that if you like,i didn't imply everyone on ever rep board knew this....

Sorry you took that wrong....

As for Stan,he was a mod here,or is as far as i was told,i don't see Josh with 'moderator' by his name,if you mean that Stan only has that title for his section only,anyway thats cool.....cybee was wondering if he is o.k,he is around daily in rep world,just to answer his question then....

I abuse nothing on a fake watch forum,sean,nothing to abuse.... :|
 

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hooligan said:
Fakes, he's been removed as a dealer here, what more warning does the membership need?

Nothing. You guys performed admirably. You gave him a sufficient amount of time to step up and then took action. Actually you were extremely generous in my opinion. You performed admirably. It is a bad situation but I think we can all take something away from it. In fact, I'd like the people who didn't get their watches to post here..nicely. Just to see what they ordered.
 

cybee

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Thanks Dave...just wanted to make sure "Kneecap Kelly" as Klink said had not made a visit to Stan too...glad to hear he's still around the place, I miss those $80 Wacko specials. My fault for not getting around much...
 

seank

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You inferred that you knew that this would happen anyway. Thats what you said. How did you know? If you just thought that it might happen thats an entirely different story but you said you knew. By implying that you knew he wouldn't be back and would be running off with people's money you sort of imply that maybe we all should have known. That's how I take your comment. You're funny like that Dave, you make your comment and then at the end throw in "well I knew all along". Then you say "sorry you took it wrong" then off handedly say "I would never abuse anything here, especially on a rep forum". I'm paraphrasing here but I read the shot. Dave I guess you'll never be in my "circle of trust". If I could point at my eyes then point them at your's I would. I'm watching you. Did I tell you that my temper is as short as my dick is long?
 

seank

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Did I also mention that I know kung foo and that I have a sense of humor. Lets bring out the ball gags and midgets.





Sean K
 

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fakemaster said:
hooligan said:
Fakes, he's been removed as a dealer here, what more warning does the membership need?

Nothing. You guys performed admirably. You gave him a sufficient amount of time to step up and then took action. Actually you were extremely generous in my opinion. You performed admirably. It is a bad situation but I think we can all take something away from it. In fact, I'd like the people who didn't get their watches to post here..nicely. Just to see what they ordered.

Well, some of us wanted to drop the hammer sooner, but I think the way it was handled was probably the correct decision. :wink:

I, too, would be interested in seeing who is still owed what.

Who is TWP's partner that is still running the website? Is he/she in the US? If they were "partners" would this other person not bear some of the responsibility of filling these outstanding orders?
 

LegendofSpeed

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@hooligan - I think this needs to be investigated... but AFAIK, all web orders were fulfilled... the issue at hand was with orders placed directly with twp through pm or e-mail.... i don't know this 100% though, and please, anyone correct me if i'm wrong..

I would say though, that if there are any orders that were placed through the website but were not delivered, then the website should handle the fulfillment of those orders... for those placed with TWP directly though, that's a lot greyer...
 

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I sent TWP a brand new Pam 036 from Ruby to modify. When I received the watch back the mods were poorly done and I returned it to him with his assurance that all would be corrected and returned. I am out the 036, as well as the price I paid for the mods. In the last of three messages I sent him, I simply requested that he put the watch in a box, in whatever current condition it was in, and send it to me. It was never received.

I have been self-employed for over 30 years. If it were me, I would never feel the same about myself if I had taken someone's money for a service and not only failed to perform to their satisfaction, but also failed to return their property.

His own self-respect will never return if he makes the decision not to make good on his obligations to the people who trusted him.