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Tutorial: How to fix the Bezel on a CLEAN GMT Master 2

KJ2020

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This may be an option - but the material that Clean uses is in my opinion WAY to flexible and will never give a proper result without backplay.

Probably so. Another GMT click ring from a parts drawer or junk watch could likely be made to work. I've even reduced the diameter of the pins once to swap a different factory's part in to another. Just a light filing then smooth sanding.
 

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Probably so. Another GMT click ring from a parts drawer or junk watch could likely be made to work. I've even reduced the diameter of the pins once to swap a different factory's part in to another. Just a light filing then smooth sanding.

Thats another level of craftmanship for me:)
 

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Gosh i hate what clean is doing with those GMT bezels.... The amount of grease some of them have is just disgusting.

Make the work twice as "hard" due to all the grease. Need few pairs of finger cots, when you replace crystal good luck if you touch it accidentally with grease.... Pain :(

I hope they update it and stop using it
 

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Just did this on my CF Pepsi. Removed bezel, cleaned click spring and washer in ultrasonic, cleaned rest of grease off case with qtips. Holy shit, did they put a lot.
On the first click after reassembled, my GF across the room, who has not the slightest idea about watches, goes "oh, i can hear it click".
Feels and sounds like a Gen now!

Anyone looking for a good bezel tool, this was $77 when i purchased. Shop around, there are many, many listings.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09QHN3RF5?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
 
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Just did this on my CF Pepsi. Removed bezel, cleaned click spring and washer in ultrasonic, cleaned rest of grease off case with qtips. Holy shit, did they put a lot.
On the first click after reassembled, my GF across the room, who has not the slightest idea about watches, goes "oh, i can hear it click".
Feels and sounds like a Gen now!

Anyone looking for a good bezel tool, this was $77 when i purchased. Shop around, there are many, many listings.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09QHN3RF5?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

Your GF could hear the click on the GMT? Lol. Perhaps you would know Rollie GMT bezels don't click like the Subs, and they don't give a crisp clicking sound too
 
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Your GF could hear the click on the GMT? Lol. Perhaps you would know Rollie GMT bezels don't click like the Subs, and they don't give a crisp clicking sound too

I am well aware of the differance. GMTs also have their own distinct clicking sound, or whatever you choose to call it.
 
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Cleaned all grease, now I have not bad click sound with stock cf click spring , very good tutorial !
 
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KJ2020 really appreciate all the info and references you share. You and oascom really pull up the level of discourse.

Can't say firsthand hand bro. Rolex part numbers are a little cryptic sometimes. The original one that I have has "16750" in it, which is a GMT model number.

The one you linked has "1662" in it, which is most of the model number for a Yachti, 16622 or 116622. The Yachti is the only other model that has this 3 pin click ring, but it's not the same as the one used in GMTs. The Yachti retaining ring has 40 scallops not 24 so the oval foot bases on the 3 pins are smaller. If your linked ring is for a Yachti I doubt it would be compatible with a GMT.

I would be inclined to try the aftermarket GMT ring from Ali Express if a gen GMT ring is not available. Alternately the CF ring can be sanded - both the burrs on the bottoms of the pin feet bases, and the inner perimeter of the oval bases where they contact the scallops. Care needs to be taken not the shorten the length too much as that increases play in the bezel.

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Building a fraken and installed a Gen bezel spring (and gen flat bezel spring underneath cuz i'm dumb and bought the wrong part # by mistake). Upon reseating the bezel there is a nice click but it also feels very hard to move. I cleaned all the grease off and then put it through the ultrasonic. Is a slight layer of grease on the flat bezel spring recommended?

What kind of grease should be used? (I've got some Molykote DX?)
 
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Building a fraken and installed a Gen bezel spring (and gen flat bezel spring underneath cuz i'm dumb and bought the wrong part # by mistake). Upon reseating the bezel there is a nice click but it also feels very hard to move. I cleaned all the grease off and then put it through the ultrasonic. Is a slight layer of grease on the flat bezel spring recommended?

What kind of grease should be used? (I've got some Molykote DX?)

By right with the gen bezel spring you shouldn't need any grease to give a smooth turning movement. Something seems wrong here if it is hard to turn with all the gen parts installed.
Try taking the flat washer away and check again
 

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Building a fraken and installed a Gen bezel spring (and gen flat bezel spring underneath cuz i'm dumb and bought the wrong part # by mistake). Upon reseating the bezel there is a nice click but it also feels very hard to move. I cleaned all the grease off and then put it through the ultrasonic. Is a slight layer of grease on the flat bezel spring recommended?

What kind of grease should be used? (I've got some Molykote DX?)

Check to verify that the bezel tension ring (washer) is not binding on the retaining ring. The retaining ring is another weak point in the CF bezel assembly, it is thin and flimsy and may not mate well with the gen washer. Its teeth can be sanded back a little if there is binding. A gen crystal retaining ring is a better solution but they are not cheap of course. Silicone grease is what I use to relube the retaining ring. When I cleaned all the grease off one of mine AND sanded both the inner perimeter of the washer and the teeth of the retaining ring, the bezel would not rotate at all. Pretty crazy how badly CF screwed up the bezel components. I have DHGate shiiters whose bezel mechanics put CF's to shame.

CF retaining ring on top of an old BP for comparison
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Sanding the inner perimeter - a round tool is inside the sandpaper
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Top is how the washer should fit, bottom is how most CF's come
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A small blob of silicone grease every third scallop
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You can test the bezel functionality before mounting it permanently by removing the hytrel ring for the tests
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Ok so took all of the advice (ty btw!). Still can't get it to rotate nicely (without being able to pull the bezel off easily). When it's firmly pressed down with a crystal press it's nearly impossible to move with both the Gen spring and the CF spring. I'm wondering if I didn't seat the crystal ring properly and that's causing issues? This is my first mod and i'm a big noob so I pressed out the crystal which loosened the retaining ring enough to get a case knife in there and get it off.

I reinstalled the crystal using a gen gasket (I had a 2.85mm clark but it didn't seem to fit as nice). I'm wondering if I didn't reinstall properly? I aligned the crystal and then used a press to seat it fairly low back into the case. Then I put the retaining ring on the top and used a different sized press to push that down over the top. Is it not down far enough? Should I have used the bezel to press that ring down instead of pressing onto the retaining ring directly? All the YT videos i've found are for older GMT's/Subs that use a different crystal retaining ring design so i'm not really sure what the proper protocol is.

Also the gen spring doesn't sit completely flat like the CF ring does.
 

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Ok so took all of the advice (ty btw!). Still can't get it to rotate nicely (without being able to pull the bezel off easily). When it's firmly pressed down with a crystal press it's nearly impossible to move with both the Gen spring and the CF spring. I'm wondering if I didn't seat the crystal ring properly and that's causing issues? This is my first mod and i'm a big noob so I pressed out the crystal which loosened the retaining ring enough to get a case knife in there and get it off.


Sounds like the hytrel ring is fucked now. Those are very sensitive gaskets.

https://de.aliexpress.com/item/1005..._list.0.0.3c5b5c5fnro8Yk&gatewayAdapt=glo2deu

This one works and holds the bezel on the whole case, not the gasket around the crystal.
 

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Ok so took all of the advice (ty btw!). Still can't get it to rotate nicely (without being able to pull the bezel off easily). When it's firmly pressed down with a crystal press it's nearly impossible to move with both the Gen spring and the CF spring. I'm wondering if I didn't seat the crystal ring properly and that's 8causing issues? This is my first mod and i'm a big noob so I pressed out the crystal which loosened the retaining ring enough to get a case knife in there and get it off.

I reinstalled the crystal using a gen gasket (I had a 2.85mm clark but it didn't seem to fit as nice). I'm wondering if I didn't reinstall properly? I aligned the crystal and then used a press to seat it fairly low back into the case. Then I put the retaining ring on the top and used a different sized press to push that down over the top. Is it not down far enough? Should I have used the bezel to press that ring down instead of pressing onto the retaining ring directly? All the YT videos i've found are for older GMT's/Subs that use a different crystal retaining ring design so i'm not really sure what the proper protocol is.

Also the gen spring doesn't sit completely flat like the CF ring does.
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A gen crystal gasket will not normally fit under a CF retaining ring, the gen gasket is a little thicker and denser. So you may not have been able to press the retaining ring down properly. You can use an aftermarket gasket or the gen gasket can have its thickness reduced a little by lightly sanding its outer perimeter. Put the gasket on a junk crystal and swipe/roll it on edge evenly and uniformly across some 400 or 320 grit sandpaper flat on a bench. Take only a little off all the way around and test fit often.

You do not need a crystal press to place a crystal and crystal gasket onto the case. The gasket should go on the crystal first, then simply hand push the gasket and crystal onto the case. It will seat flush to the case if the gasket is tall enough. If not the crystal will sit on the rehaut ledge. Either way a hand fitting will seat the two pieces as low as they can go. The gasket height you choose should be tall enough to allow it to seat flush to the case. A small gap between the crystal and the rehaut ledge is normal. I always put the movement back in if it was out and check date mag before putting the retaining ring back on. Much easier to change to a different height gasket if the date mag is off.

You do need a crystal press to seat the retaining ring and it should be fully seated to the case, not just "fairly low". You have a CF V2 bezel assembly whose retaining ring has slightly beveled teeth bottoms. This was IMO a cheap fix by CF so their wrong size bezel tension spring (washer) could just slip under the retaining ring teeth if it needed to. Instead it's just another way for binding to occur. This lower bevel on the retaining ring teeth makes it harder to tell if the ring is fully seated all the way around, but since you used a gen crystal gasket I suspect it may not be. Sometimes you really have to mash the hell out of the ring to force it all the way down, especially when using a gen gasket.

This one is not a CF GMT, but as an example it took a vice to close that final gap. EXTREME care needs to be taken not to damage a crystal using this technique.

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It doesn't matter that your gen click ring pops up a little, or more than the CF one. The bezel will push it down, provided the click ring pins are positioned properly in the shorter, perpendicular slots on the bezel underside. You really should test and experiment with the bezel movements with the bezel gasket (hytrel ring) removed so you can easily make adjustments without damaging the hytrel ring a little more each time. It's also much easier to do this with the insert removed. Push the bezel down and hold it down fully while rotating it. If it won't do it then, it's not going to with the hytrel ring installed. Something is still wrong and an adjustment is needed. Get it moving right and then install it permanently. And you may well need a new hytrel ring as derjenigewelcher recommended.

If all the parts are in place correctly and the bezel still won't rotate, start adding tiny blobs of silicone grease with an oiler. Put some in every third retaining ring scallop, test, then add some more to other clean scallops as needed. Once it starts to move more freely, work the silicone in by continuing to rotate it. The goal is to find the least amount of grease needed to give you an acceptable freedom of movement. That amount is way less than what CF uses, and the lesser amount will help reduce some of the loose bezel play.
 
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KJ2020 - Thank you thank you thank you for running me through everything! I have a much better idea of what I SHOULD be doing vs. what I did incorrectly. My dumbass thought the hyrtel ring was the flat metal "washer" underneath the click ring. I didn't even realize there was a plastic gasket on the bezel. I had previously only done SKX mods and wasn't even on my mind that there might be a different design at play.

I added some silicone grease to the ACTUAL hyrtel ring and it free'ed everything up tremendously. I had put the bezel through the ultrasonic and it removed all the grease which kind of locked it in place with big effort needed to move it.

I can't say it's a night/day difference compared to the normal CF bezel click spring (and I won't be reattempting this on my incoming CF Pepsi) but it's all back together working and has a more prononced "click" noise but other than that doesn't feel noticeably more accurate or firm in the click.

I think I just *barely* got away with this one. But I went in looking at this as a learning experience and hoping I wouldn't screw everything up too badly and *knock on wood* I think it worked.
 
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Guys you are doing an excellent job ! My CF looks good enough for me so it will stay how it is, but if I am getting in trouble, I know where to search ! Many thanks
 
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