The VSF Submariners Thread

[Zeta7]

So what is the consensus on the top 41mm black sub date superclone? VSF vs Clean? Dadong 3235 or Swiss caliber? I’d like to order.

You’ve narrowed it down to the vsf 41 sub or Clean eta. This is a question you must answer yourself grasshopper. Here’s some food for thought.
To service the vsf 41 with the Dandong 3235 is about $300 and only gen Rolex parts are available for it.
The Clean eta clone movement can be replaced for about $50 or you can replace it with a Swiss eta for about $250.
You gotta find someone who will be willing and able to work on the vsf 3235 movement and there’s waiting lists with the few fellas on the forum.
Your local watchmaker can swap out your eta clone movement with another clone just like it or the Swiss in a few minutes.
They’re both good choices and you’ll be happy with either. Choose wisely though.

 

[dieguezzz]

Pics of a gen and rep taken by me. You can check out the color of the reflections there.

I have a few pages to go, to be up to date with reading this whole thread... its taking me 4 days. But I have to reply to this one. Unbelievable replicas here, the only things I notice here is the longer minute hand of the gen and the perfectly defined shape of the 3 (300m). I am waiting for a VSF 116613LN, and since these cheddar subs are kind of snubbed by many are not much talked about here, I was wondering about clasp codes and rehaut serials on these gold reps, has anyone info on this?

Doesnt really matter for my purchase I will rock it daily, cheddar cheese or not, floating m or not, saggy date or not... Im not a pessimist but Im aware that these are replicas, but the info would be interesting, cheers

 

[Kalev007]

You’ve narrowed it down to the vsf 41 sub or Clean eta. This is a question you must answer yourself grasshopper. Here’s some food for thought.
To service the vsf 41 with the Dandong 3235 is about $300 and only gen Rolex parts are available for it.
The Clean eta clone movement can be replaced for about $50 or you can replace it with a Swiss eta for about $250.
You gotta find someone who will be willing and able to work on the vsf 3235 movement and there’s waiting lists with the few fellas on the forum.
Your local watchmaker can swap out your eta clone movement with another clone just like it or the Swiss in a few minutes.
They’re both good choices and you’ll be happy with either. Choose wisely though.

Clean also has 3235 clone and not ETA clone. Both movements you can get from Ali if something happens so no issues.

 

[Zeta7]

Clean also has 3235 clone and not ETA clone. Both movements you can get from Ali if something happens so no issues.

I believe you’re mistaken but it could be me.

 

[Kalev007]

I believe you’re mistaken but it could be me.

Clean has VR3235 and no ETA clones.

 

[Tompa]

Clean has VR3235 and no ETA clones.

Correct

 

[dieguezzz]

I think SEL clearence is high. And rehaut is not aligned. But I would like understand if this acceptable or not. Also I do not understand whether this Q66 or not?

I can read Q66 on the rehaut

 

[Afpire93]

Hello everyone, I am currently looking at this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EC5pJdbP4ebBvuu7wsZcgwbfGiNhjAV28g5UMKSGJe4/htmlview#gid=0. May I know how come only the kermit 116610 is NWBIG. However for the normal sub, date or no date is not a NWBIG? As i thought the difference is just the color. Thank you.

 

[Replicated]

Hello everyone, I am currently looking at this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EC5pJdbP4ebBvuu7wsZcgwbfGiNhjAV28g5UMKSGJe4/htmlview#gid=0. May I know how come only the kermit 116610 is NWBIG. However for the normal sub, date or no date is not a NWBIG? As i thought the difference is just the color. Thank you.

What? They are NWBIG.
And also, what is a 116610 Kermit?

116610LV is Hulk
126610LV is Starbucks /Ceramic Kermit (Cermit)

 

[Len]

VSF with the VS3235

Thx. What is a fair price?

 

[Len]

You’ve narrowed it down to the vsf 41 sub or Clean eta. This is a question you must answer yourself grasshopper. Here’s some food for thought.
To service the vsf 41 with the Dandong 3235 is about $300 and only gen Rolex parts are available for it.
The Clean eta clone movement can be replaced for about $50 or you can replace it with a Swiss eta for about $250.
You gotta find someone who will be willing and able to work on the vsf 3235 movement and there’s waiting lists with the few fellas on the forum.
Your local watchmaker can swap out your eta clone movement with another clone just like it or the Swiss in a few minutes.
They’re both good choices and you’ll be happy with either. Choose wisely though.

I thought both clean and VSF use Dadong 3235 movement, not Swiss, but maybe I’m wrong. Is there any Sub with a real Swiss eta? Either way, it looks like best version VSF or Clean are both good options? Any idea of current price a good TD?

 

[SS72]

I thought both clean and VSF use Dadong 3235 movement, not Swiss, but maybe I’m wrong. Is there any Sub with a real Swiss eta? Either way, it looks like best version VSF or Clean are both good options? Any idea of current price a good TD?

WRT movements, here you go:

Comprehensive Guide to Clone Movements Found in Rolex Reps

Change Log: August 25th 2022 - Initial version published on r/RepTime March 9th 2023 - Updated version published on RWI. Updated to include information about the new SH3285 found in C+ Factory GMTs and DD3285 found in Clean Factory GMTs. March 14th 2023 - Update to include a link to Steve's...

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You can get Subs with claimed gen Swiss ETA, but most ETAs are refurbished, not 100% new.
ETA28XX/A28XX and clone Rolex movements are two completely different things.
Clean 11 series Subs are available with the DD VS31XX movement. With the the 12 series Subs, I believe the VS3235 movement is exclusive to VSF and Clean do not have it; they use the VR3235, which is a hybrid and not a true clone.
For TDs, I recommend you read the TD reviews for form an opinion. That's your best bet, as many opinions are just that and experiences vary.
CTime have a great combo-Sub available at the moment; it's a Clean 114060 watch with a DD VS3130 movement. But it's a 11X, not a 12X.
Back to the VSF vs Clean 12X Sub, both are good options. The VSF3235 movement is considered by experts to be superior to the VR3235.

 

[Afpire93]

What? They are NWBIG.
And also, what is a 116610 Kermit?

116610LV is Hulk
126610LV is Starbucks /Ceramic Kermit (Cermit)

Apolgoies for my confusion. I should not have typed kermit. As I see that 116610 is NWBIG but for 114060 it is super rep. This is due to the colour highlight in the sheet. As only 116610 and 126610 rows are highlighted yellow which is super rep while for the row of 114060 is green which is super rep.

So I was wondering why is 114060 is a super rep when it is almost similar to 126610 which is a NWBIG. thank you

 

[Zeta7]

Apolgoies for my confusion. I should not have typed kermit. As I see that 116610 is NWBIG but for 114060 it is super rep. This is due to the colour highlight in the sheet. As only 116610 and 126610 rows are highlighted yellow which is super rep while for the row of 114060 is green which is super rep.

So I was wondering why is 114060 is a super rep when it is almost similar to 126610 which is a NWBIG. thank you

It’s just a ranking system

 

[brahmabull]

Broke down and bought a VSF Hulk yesterday…… soooo weak….

 

[brahmabull]

Broke down and bought a VSF Hulk yesterday…… soooo weak….

 

[DriftOversteer]

Just in time for Christmas!

 

[Royal Moake]

The king.

Dope!

 

[john442]

Just in time for Christmas!

is that a 2R8 serial number?? looks great

 

[Snil]

There’s no watch I love more than my 3 year old 116610LN