The VSF Submariners Thread

[DzR-ALF]

I tested a vs3235 and got 65 hours of power reserve, but don’t assume they all will do that. As stated, these movements are far from Swiss standards and quality of assembly, cleanliness, and lubrication is all over the place, so you can expect variations in performance of these movements.

Yes, thank you) I was just interested in testing what power reserve they will be able to show at maximum winding

man acting like we are personal sales assistance and customer service line

Dude, are you serious? For you to answer the usual questions (instead of saying "what do you want? is it rap" - is it something beyond fiction? Or is it not customary in Europe?

When I asked questions about the big dimple in the dial, everyone wrote to me "what's the difference, it's rep" instead of just answering: 1. no, it shouldn't be that big, or 2. yes, it can be that big. And only one person from this forum wrote to me in private messages and said that he had seen the same big one on gen. Was it difficult? I don't think
I asked a simple question how to get the maximum power reserve to test it, in response, they started writing me some nonsense again that "this is not gen, it's just rep, what do you want". And only a couple of people adequately answered my question without this cheap pathos
I have a feeling that if you show a watch here, in which there will be a huge pile of sh*t inside the dial, they will say in response, "what do you want? this is Rep. If you want without sh*t, buy gen"

I apologize for all this text, but I am already annoyed by these attacks on me for any reason

But for myself, I already realized that you can't ask anything here, in response to any question you will simply be told "this is rep, what else do you want??"

 

[StreetFighter]

I think the guy has a point, VSF and the dealers advertise the watch as having a 72hr power reserve, so it really should have.. and most of them do from what I've read though I have never checked it myself, I couldn't care less.

I'd imagine it comes down to the size of the spring how much power it can retain and these 3235s use a spring that is supposed to hold a 72hr charge, so they probably do.

If you ever bought a gen, the first page of the instructon booklet that comes with the watch says you should unscrew the crown and wind it fully upon first use. I'd do the same with the VS and I bet you get your 72hrs.

 

[DzR-ALF]

I think the guy has a point, VSF and the dealers advertise the watch as having a 72hr power reserve, so it really should have..

Perhaps, but my question about this had a slightly different character. I made ~20 revolutions of the crown, wore them for ~ 10 hours on my hand, then I took them off my hand and put them on the table and the watch stopped after 48 hours. I realized that maybe I wasn't moving my hand too actively. I just made 25 turns of the crown and looked at how long they would stop if they were just lying on the table. They stopped the same way about 48 hours later. After that, I just became curious about how they can be tested for a full power reserve) Just curiosity.
Thank you for answering my stupid questions. I appreciate it

 

[DonkeyHoTay]

I may be alone on this, but I take every representation about the Reps made by the dealers/factories with a grain of salt and presume the following every time I get a delivery - at best I will have to take the rep to a local watchsmith for repair, and at worst I will throw the watch away (no patience for shipping back to China) and just buy another one. So far, none of those circumstances have been necessary for the 2 dozen reps I have ordered and received - and I think that means I'm lucky.

 

[QQ0]

Last night, without waiting for an answer

Your tone of asking question just irked me, do you expect us to be ready to answer your question at anytime of asking? I did not mention anything that "its a rep". However, you have to understand that this is a community to exchange info. You keep complaining about the dimple. idk man but some of the patience that we have for you is growing thin since you clustered up the pages with your dimple dial. We are not a customer service, however we can help provide information.

The members here understands your situation, some tried to help in their own word by saying "its a rep" reiterating that your expectation of a rep watch is too much. The gen rolex is 10k and this cost nothing of the sort to make.

I understand that the dial has a big dimple, however the only help we can do is provide you with information, same as the reserve power. You cannot expect the rep to have a 72 hour reserve as the quality control of the rep is not on par with gen.

Lastly, we are not attacking you, however, the way you approach us with your questions does not bode well with me, and when the users gave the opinion, instead of trying to understand others point of view you push it aside as "its just a rep"

 

[QQ0]

Btw I went back to read the whole dimple saga again.

The hole is stamped that effect is present in gen but varies in degrees

Gen is like that.

Correct. And it’s the result of sloppy blunt / low velocity punching. Rolex does not deserve the pedestal that many people place it on.

and this is what the users replies and tell you.

angle. Mine ALWAYS shines like a spotlight) Although if you look under a microscope, you can see that in fact the hole is very small and it is located exactly under the hands of the watch.

Yes, I totally agree with you. I watched a lot of gen videos today and saw that most of them have this "flaw". I would put up with it without any problems, but it annoys me that, unlike gen, it is always visible when I look at my wrist. In gen, it seems to me that it can only be seen from a certain angle. I also looked at a lot of vsf photos and almost all of them show this "black hole" much less than mine)
So at this moment, the only thing that pisses me off is that it's visible all the time.

and then you came back with this comparing it to gen. So people have been trying to tell you that you are expecting too much.

 

[DzR-ALF]

The members here understands your situation, some tried to help in their own word by saying "its a rep" reiterating that your expectation of a rep watch is too much. The gen rolex is 10k and this cost nothing of the sort to make.

I understand that the dial has a big dimple, however the only help we can do is provide you with information, same as the reserve power. You cannot expect the rep to have a 72 hour reserve as the quality control of the rep is not on par with gen.

Dude, do you really think that if you always say "it's rep", then it's a help? All I wanted to know at that moment was whether other people have the same huge hole (which is constantly visible) or I got shit. And nothing more. There are a lot of people here who are well versed in rolex and they could just say "yes, dude, I saw exactly the same, don't worry", or "no, it shouldn't be so huge, it looks bad" and not carry nonsense in the style of "it's a rep". And if it was a gen forum, they would probably say "well, it's gen"?
The only person who really wanted to help me wrote to me in private messages and said that he had seen exactly the same thing on gen. And that's all I wanted to know.
72 hours... What makes you think I expect 72 hours of power reserve?? My question was just about what needs to be done to get the maximum power reserve and test it.
P.S. Don't forget that I write through Google translator and maybe you see my text in a different way.

 

[QQ0]

hey man, I understand where you are coming from, but people did SAID that gen is like that/ varied to some degree but have it. And you still keep asking questions over pages. What do you expect after that man, people are going to say that you expect too much from a VSF. Also with the 72 hours power reserve, member said you need to wind it 25 times, then you said no you already winded it 25 times but did not achieve the 72 hours.

Then you still keep asking what to do to get 72 hours. You expected too much, even a GEN with no service/ old oil can lose power reserve.

I also does not want to clutter up the page therefore this will be my last reply regarding this topic.

Dude, do you really think that if you always say "it's rep", then it's a help? All I wanted to know at that moment was whether other people have the same huge hole (which is constantly visible) or I got shit. And nothing more. There are a lot of people here who are well versed in rolex and they could just say "yes, dude, I saw exactly the same, don't worry", or "no, it shouldn't be so huge, it looks bad" and not carry nonsense in the style of "it's a rep". And if it was a gen forum, they would probably say "well, it's gen"?
The only person who really wanted to help me wrote to me in private messages and said that he had seen exactly the same thing on gen. And that's all I wanted to know.
72 hours... What makes you think I expect 72 hours of power reserve?? My question was just about what needs to be done to get the maximum power reserve and test it.
P.S. Don't forget that I write through Google translator and maybe you see my text in a different way.

 

[DzR-ALF]

Also with the 72 hours power reserve, member said you need to wind it 25 times, then you said no you already winded it 25 times but did not achieve the 72 hours.

Hmm, ok, maybe it's really translation difficulties. I translated the answer so that "25 revolutions need to be done in order to partially wind up the clock". Therefore, my question was about how to start them completely (but I already thought of it myself just to make about 70 turns)
And also my question was about whether they can become completely wound up from being worn on the hand (I did not succeed). But I've already been told that when worn, they just maintain the power reserve.
ok, I'm also ending this dialog

 

[john442]

That looks great ! Love it

 

[HelloBusby]

Just received my VSF 124060 - Q66 case, 3VV clasp. To the right is my VSF 126610LV - 2R9 case, 1LQ clasp, 72 hour power reserve verified, tested myself. The two subs above are not VSF.





I had an earlier post about my disappointment with my SEL on the LV. But has since been remedied because the SEL on the No Date had better fit with the LV and the LV had better fit with the No Date.



I have 4 SEL codes from two bracelets, , I thought it was pretty weird but it ended up working well. Original SEL codes as follows:

121160 LV: 7GJ, 8XM
124060: T1G, D1K
All had 97JB00 (ARF?)

Hope y’all find that helpful with cross referencing. I know previous info from users on this thread has helped me with it.

 

[Doc brown]

Hmm, ok, maybe it's really translation difficulties. I translated the answer so that "25 revolutions need to be done in order to partially wind up the clock". Therefore, my question was about how to start them completely (but I already thought of it myself just to make about 70 turns)
And also my question was about whether they can become completely wound up from being worn on the hand (I did not succeed). But I've already been told that when worn, they just maintain the power reserve.
ok, I'm also ending this dialog

I had a VSF that did similar. Ended up being a tight rotor. So when you wear it, it was too stiff to turn freely. If you can, try to open the caseback and adjust it or lubricate it slightly. I'm almost sure yours is stuck or not turning properly. The mainspring also is stiff. Once you wear it and wind it over a few weeks, it might loosen too and provide fluid elasticity when it unwinds to provide reserve power in a more smoother pattern. These are my personal observations only. After some time, the power reserve improves.

 

[DzR-ALF]

I had a VSF that did similar. Ended up being a tight rotor. So when you wear it, it was too stiff to turn freely. If you can, try to open the caseback and adjust it or lubricate it slightly. I'm almost sure yours is stuck or not turning properly. The mainspring also is stiff. Once you wear it and wind it over a few weeks, it might loosen too and provide fluid elasticity when it unwinds to provide reserve power in a more smoother pattern. These are my personal observations only. After some time, the power reserve improves.

Thank you for the answer!)
I'll see how much power reserve it will give after 70 revolutions. But I don't think I'm going to climb into the back cover so as not to break anything there) I absolutely do not understand watches) Let's see how the movement will behave after a few weeks on the arm, maybe something will improve))

 

[thopie]

Did I miss something? This is still a normal rep forum and not a manufacturer's service forum, right? How cares about 42h or 72h Power reserve...it's only a Rep.

@DzR-ALF
When the barrel is fully wound, you can turn the crown as much as you want, there will be nothing more. The mainspring of the barrel slips further and further when you turn the crown after the barrel is fully wound. If you then continue to turn the crown, you will only unnecessarily stress the pins of the ratchet wheels.

 

[WatchSmith.US]

I had a VSF that did similar. Ended up being a tight rotor. So when you wear it, it was too stiff to turn freely. If you can, try to open the caseback and adjust it or lubricate it slightly. I'm almost sure yours is stuck or not turning properly. The mainspring also is stiff. Once you wear it and wind it over a few weeks, it might loosen too and provide fluid elasticity when it unwinds to provide reserve power in a more smoother pattern. These are my personal observations only. After some time, the power reserve improves.

Please don't lubricate the rotor in this or any other watch unless you have the correct oils and follow the RLX service manuals exactly. I've had plenty of them in for repair from people with good intentions and the movement ended up requiring a full service because oil had migrated everywhere. I don't mean to discourage anyone from learning to do a fix but it must be done correctly or you'll be spending a few hundred dollars getting it overhauled.

I'm sorry but I don't think the advice on stiff mainsprings is accurate.

 

[muiramas]

When I asked questions about the big dimple in the dial…

I am already annoyed by these attacks on me for any reason

[/ISPOILER]

Well, to be fair, you made half a dozen posts about that first part - which is thread spamming - and were unwilling to listen or to try and understand the replies you got.

As for the last part, yeah, it’s not very nice is it…

 

[GreenSkyy87]

All this talk about dial dimples and power reserve. I have a small dimple too. It took me a week of wearing it to notice it in the right lighting. As far as power reserve I've never tested it. When I put the watch on the night stand I'm satisfied that it's still running in the morning. Mine does seem to run a minute or three fast a week. No big deal, don't have a timegrapher and I bought a $500 watch not a $10,000 watch. Though my Hamilton stays nearly spot on, but that's not a Chinese movement.

I will say I've been very happy with my VSF no date, but the only thing that sometimes bothers my OCD is the fact I feel like the bezel needs to be between clicks for the 3 and 9 o'clock to index right. I'm always spinning the bezel around again to realign it and then questioning my sanity after.

I do have a question though, I feel like I'm missing a link. I have 6 full links on one side and 5 on the other. Anyone else's this way? More of a curiosity thing than anything else.

All said and done VSF makes a great rep. It feels more substantial in hand than my Noob Daytona does.

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[GreenSkyy87]

No idea how to properly upload images either. Whoops.

 

[hants]

apologies for a 'newbie' question but - i'm just pressing the button on a VSF 3135 hulk and was wondering if they all come with a glidelock clasp or not. Any help appreciated. Been trawling through the various threads learning more each day but still learning! This will be my first rep.

 

[Micolash]

I do have a question though, I feel like I'm missing a link. I have 6 full links on one side and 5 on the other. Anyone else's this way? More of a curiosity thing than anything else.

Yes, they usually are 7 + 5

apologies for a 'newbie' question but - i'm just pressing the button on a VSF 3135 hulk and was wondering if they all come with a glidelock clasp or not.

Absolutely!