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The purpose of QC pictures
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My humble opinion is if the beat rate is the only thing that bugs you about the watch then I wouldnt worry about it. That might not be the right answer but then I think the QC pics should be done away with entirely and especially showing the timing of a replica watch is just silly to me.
Am I losing it or do the gears look like drawings on this movement...Weird.
It's a faux movement that's why.. The movement is hidden underneath it.
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I think this is a load of bobbins and anyone wishing to share their experience with new members should be allowed to make that choice. If you choose not to share your experience then that is your privilege. To not allow others the choice to do so detracts from the basis of what a forum is designed for.
A thread should be started specifically for QC pictures (if people wish to post them). If a forum member does not agree with this then they simply need not read that particular thread. If a forum member wishes to read and share their experience and opinions then they will be able to do so.
A thread should be started specifically for QC pictures (if people wish to post them). If a forum member does not agree with this then they simply need not read that particular thread. If a forum member wishes to read and share their experience and opinions then they will be able to do so.
which part of not doing their homework and asking to be spoon fed is sharing?
there are plenty of reviews, comparisons and even a guide. do you know how much effort and time are needed to do them? and how wasteful it is when people don't even bother reading and learning and utilise them?
Haven´t read through this thread and have never (yet) posted qc-pictures. My take on this is:
1. $300 is a lot of money
2. $400 is a lot of money
3. You should get what You pay for, at least more or less, this includes having a well aligned dial/markers/datewheel
When You first start Your eye is completely untrained, all is new, You have lots of doubts even after reading all reviews.
Even after looking at dozens of pictures You can´t tell if/what´s wrong, before buying Your first 3 reps.
You are confused, You need re-assurance (i.e.: it does look wrong, am I being too picky? it does look good, did I miss something?)
Later You know in an instant if something is off - You don´t need any help, Your eye is trained.
Posting qc-pics is a completely different issue than asking "who has the best....",
I don´t mind anybody - with funded doubts - posting them.
Unfortunately as so many are bad batches and so many get refused I believe this whole business with refusing qc is increasing prices
because too much time is spent by our TD´s on this - imho this time should go into better factory-qc and not in sorting out the 3rd watch;
1. $300 is a lot of money
2. $400 is a lot of money
3. You should get what You pay for, at least more or less, this includes having a well aligned dial/markers/datewheel
When You first start Your eye is completely untrained, all is new, You have lots of doubts even after reading all reviews.
Even after looking at dozens of pictures You can´t tell if/what´s wrong, before buying Your first 3 reps.
You are confused, You need re-assurance (i.e.: it does look wrong, am I being too picky? it does look good, did I miss something?)
Later You know in an instant if something is off - You don´t need any help, Your eye is trained.
Posting qc-pics is a completely different issue than asking "who has the best....",
I don´t mind anybody - with funded doubts - posting them.
Unfortunately as so many are bad batches and so many get refused I believe this whole business with refusing qc is increasing prices
because too much time is spent by our TD´s on this - imho this time should go into better factory-qc and not in sorting out the 3rd watch;
I just had a thread I put up asking for advice on QC pics, have the pics deleted by a mod. I've read the FAQ (almost impossible as it's black text on a grey background - needs fixed if you want noobs like me to actually be able to read it) and there's nothing it in about posting QC pics. So why hasn't it been updated with this info? I had to use Google to find this thread.
Incidentally, I have also read through the various reference guides on the watch that I picked but I'm new to this. This is my first order and I wanted to reassurance that I wasn't missing anything. Maybe this site has reached enough critical mass that the long-termers here aren't that bothered about attracting new members but this edict and that impossible to read FAQ aren't condusive to making new members feel welcome or supported.
I get that there are always idiots that come along and do nothing to support a forum (I own a couple of forums so see this first hand) and I get that these people need to be discouraged from abusing the goodwill of more established members but I agree with a previous post that members can simply choose to ignore threads asking for help. A blanket ban seems heavy-handed to me.
Just my 2 cents...
Incidentally, I have also read through the various reference guides on the watch that I picked but I'm new to this. This is my first order and I wanted to reassurance that I wasn't missing anything. Maybe this site has reached enough critical mass that the long-termers here aren't that bothered about attracting new members but this edict and that impossible to read FAQ aren't condusive to making new members feel welcome or supported.
I get that there are always idiots that come along and do nothing to support a forum (I own a couple of forums so see this first hand) and I get that these people need to be discouraged from abusing the goodwill of more established members but I agree with a previous post that members can simply choose to ignore threads asking for help. A blanket ban seems heavy-handed to me.
Just my 2 cents...
I had done all my research for months, read all the articles, chatted up members, and looked for all the tells when the QC pics arrived but still ended up posting it. Why? Because I am paranoid that if I'm paying $400-500 for a watch I want to be able to capitalize on the expertise of senior members. I mean, some of the guys here are hawk-eyed and can spot the smallest of things in an instant.
It should be up to the members if they choose to help someone with QC pics. I wouldn't mind doing so...
It should be up to the members if they choose to help someone with QC pics. I wouldn't mind doing so...
just what you said designer that some members can spot the smallest of things wrong. And that is the problem. People are now refusing qc pics because of flaws that are even too small to see with the naked eye. People forget that these are macro pictures. and this is going to end up ruining this hobby for the rest of us if it keeps up. If you read the stickies provided for us by some of our great senior and past members they state that these are replica watches, constructed in less than desireable conditions. They are not made at the rolex factory in vacuum sealed environments with scientists and metallurgists, and professional horologists creating them. There are going to be flaws, and that's what we have to accept. With a good TD that you build a relationship with you should not even need qc pics. My TD's know what I am looking for and what level of imperfections I am willing to accept at this point. I'm not saying I would accept a watch that is full of noticeable flaws. No, and I have rejected a watch because of having 3 very noticeable with the naked eye flaws, that were just very poorly constructed. But there are going to be flaws, and most of the time they are so small that they are not noticeable. and now we have people posting their qc pics asking members to examine them and find all the flaws because they want the perfect watch. Turning watches down because of these tiny flaws is going to cause several problems and already is with some TD's. They spend a lot of time hand picking a watch for you, making sure it runs properly, taking qc pics. responding to emails, and to keep having watches rejected and having to return to the factories to exchange them and provide different watches for those picky people is getting old to them really fast. trust me, I do know, because I am in contact with a couple of the td's regularly. I do however have people ask me to look at their qc pics often, and I do help them out. but with the small flaws that arent' noticeable I tell them that these are not flaws that would make me turn down a watch. They are going to have flaws.
I wish QC pics could be what some people want them to be, an opportunity to find the best amongst the pile. Can't it work that way? Makes me wish more and more that there were a storefront for these things.
If there were a store front, would you invite everyone on here to go with you and inspect your watch before you buy it? If you spend some time reading the flaws become noticeable. Then YOU have to determine what flaw(s) bother YOU the most and buy the watch that does not have these. I don't understand posting
pics and asking thousands of people to pick it apart. Only in the rep world does this happen.
Dude. I bring a buddy when I shop for produce. I guess I'm the wrong person to ask. Would I want someone who knows more about a watch to come shopping for it with me? Um...yes. The whole forum? Of course not. But we are talking about a fantasy world now, aren't we?
Hi to all, and excuse for giving my opinion been a newbie, but I'm absolutly agree about what you're saying. One should be able to find flaws, otherwise, the option is to spend some (much more) extra money and get a gen 100% free of flaws
Of course, I assume a TD will understand and take action if the watch have relevant flaws that you can notice only having it in your hands... that's the rease of the "T" I guess.
Regards!
I've never had a problem with a TD letting me be as particular as I want to be with QC pics, even letting me reject nearly 1/2 dozen before a send (I cannot tolerate crooked date and cyclops issues. It's my pet peeve). Truthfully, when they send QC pics and I check the EXIF data and it says it was taken 2 months ago, it raises an eyebrow about whether or not I got someone else's rejects in my batch of QC's and the seller is just testing the water to see if my eyes are less keen than the last guy. Nonetheless, never bothered me about a rejection.
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A Suggestion to All
I read through all the postings.
I think I understand both the viewpoints from the moderators and the consumers.
It is definitely a extra service/mile if the dealer(with professional knowledge like some of our members here) is able to check that the product does not come with non-standard defects and state clearly the expected factory defects. We all know that replicas are not perfect but there some expectations.
We have dealers that have really in-depth knowledge and do go that extra mile. I have a suggestion to help new forum members, moderators and dealers: We should recognize the extra value of those dealers that have the knowledge and help the buyer inspect before shipping out. Every dealer should have a profile page that states if they do provide pre-inspection before shipping the product or they just arrange shipping, and whether they are able to provide photos if the buyer request. Besides that we should have a template of questions for dealers to answer if they accept returns if the product is defective, etc.. Dealers can also further boost their credibility if they do post a guide for a new watch of the potential defects to lookout for.
Also, buyers still must do their homework and not just post on the forum without even looking through.
Of course there is no 100% guarantee that everything would be working fine even if it is thoroughly inspected but at least the buyer knows that the chance of receiving a defective product is lowered when the dealer they are buying from have the expertise to inspect before shipping out.
With a more transparent system, there would be differentiation between dealers who takes the extra effort to inspect vs those who just arrange shipping. It would be also easier for new forum members to identify and choose their preferred dealer.
There is a difference between a dealer who is just selling watches vs one who provides the extra service to ensure that what is sold is free from "defects".
Of course at the end of the day, it is about keeping our expectations realistic. As a buyer, you cannot expect the dealer to guarantee 100% unless the dealer has chosen to give his 100% guarantee neither the dealer should be taking advantage of the ignorance of the first time buyer. With this system, there would be more transparency and it would be easier for first time buyers to choose their dealer and have more confidence with the watch they are getting.
It is about making clear the dealers who differentiate themselves by providing more services other than arranging the shipping and letting buyers have a very clear idea of the different services they get from different dealers and whether they need to do extra work to read up or put their trust in the dealer.
We have very good dealers here, you just have to read all the feedbacks but I think with this system the buyer would have more assurance in picking a dealer.
A rep watch is not some $50,000 watch, so those buyers expecting the watch not to even have a tinniest microscopic scratch can go and spend 50k...
Everything has manufacturing tolerance and I personally would choose a dealer that knows their stuff.
I read through all the postings.
I think I understand both the viewpoints from the moderators and the consumers.
It is definitely a extra service/mile if the dealer(with professional knowledge like some of our members here) is able to check that the product does not come with non-standard defects and state clearly the expected factory defects. We all know that replicas are not perfect but there some expectations.
We have dealers that have really in-depth knowledge and do go that extra mile. I have a suggestion to help new forum members, moderators and dealers: We should recognize the extra value of those dealers that have the knowledge and help the buyer inspect before shipping out. Every dealer should have a profile page that states if they do provide pre-inspection before shipping the product or they just arrange shipping, and whether they are able to provide photos if the buyer request. Besides that we should have a template of questions for dealers to answer if they accept returns if the product is defective, etc.. Dealers can also further boost their credibility if they do post a guide for a new watch of the potential defects to lookout for.
Also, buyers still must do their homework and not just post on the forum without even looking through.
Of course there is no 100% guarantee that everything would be working fine even if it is thoroughly inspected but at least the buyer knows that the chance of receiving a defective product is lowered when the dealer they are buying from have the expertise to inspect before shipping out.
With a more transparent system, there would be differentiation between dealers who takes the extra effort to inspect vs those who just arrange shipping. It would be also easier for new forum members to identify and choose their preferred dealer.
There is a difference between a dealer who is just selling watches vs one who provides the extra service to ensure that what is sold is free from "defects".
Of course at the end of the day, it is about keeping our expectations realistic. As a buyer, you cannot expect the dealer to guarantee 100% unless the dealer has chosen to give his 100% guarantee neither the dealer should be taking advantage of the ignorance of the first time buyer. With this system, there would be more transparency and it would be easier for first time buyers to choose their dealer and have more confidence with the watch they are getting.
It is about making clear the dealers who differentiate themselves by providing more services other than arranging the shipping and letting buyers have a very clear idea of the different services they get from different dealers and whether they need to do extra work to read up or put their trust in the dealer.
We have very good dealers here, you just have to read all the feedbacks but I think with this system the buyer would have more assurance in picking a dealer.
A rep watch is not some $50,000 watch, so those buyers expecting the watch not to even have a tinniest microscopic scratch can go and spend 50k...
Everything has manufacturing tolerance and I personally would choose a dealer that knows their stuff.