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Using one of those superautomatics is like wearing a quartz watch or digital quartz watch. You just press a button and the shit comes out. There's no knowledge of your extraction. Nothing about grind quality, grind volume, tamp pressure, shot temperature, shot extraction time or amount of extraction. I don't even think that can be pre-infused, nor can you heat up the milk yourself I don't think. I don't think you can even monitor the pressure either. All that is preprogrammed for you. Sorry, only a semi automatic like the Rocket will do for me.We have a Jura Impressa s9. It's automatic and swiss, what else can a watch aficionado want?
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Easy to follow cleaning and descaling programs, we get it serviced once a year, and it has only needed one replacement part in the 6 years we have had it.
Sure this machine isn't for the super coffee aficionado but this model actually gives you plenty of room for customizing your coffee.Using one of those superautomatics is like wearing a quartz watch or digital quartz watch. You just press a button and the shit comes out. There's no knowledge of your extraction. Nothing about grind quality, grind volume, tamp pressure, shot temperature, shot extraction time or amount of extraction. I don't even think that can be pre-infused, nor can you heat up the milk yourself I don't think. I don't think you can even monitor the pressure either. All that is preprogrammed for you. Sorry, only a semi automatic like the Rocket will do for me.
Hey, I thought I was the coffee expert around here!!!!! :gotgoat:
Anyways, for espresso and espresso based milk drinks, I suggest only a higher end machine like an HX machine (heat exchanger), with a 3 way solenoid valve. There are some "double boiler" machines that can do the trick, but nothing beats an HX machine. I have this one: It's a Rocket Giotto. It has the tried and true E61 brew head, made famous by Faema back in the 60's and the E61 technology is still used today in current models. That's how good it is.
Sure this machine isn't for the super coffee aficionado but this model actually gives you plenty of room for customizing your coffee.
You have a full range of grind qualities you simply choose from course to fine and all else in between, it does have a range of programmable water temperatures, you program the exact amount of water that goes into the shot - which you can measure by extraction time or extraction amount. The machine does an auto tamper but I couldn't tell you the pressure (might be in the manual or could contact Jura).
You choose the strength of the shot which controls the amount of grounds that go into each shot. With this double boiler machine each and every shot pulled is pre-infused. This machine produces a very nice crema in a golden brown color. The milk heating/frothing system is not as good as a cafe machine (can't quite get that sweetness that frothing the traditional way does), but good enough for latte art and far better then 95% of home machines.
The great thing is when you first get the machine you play around with all the variables until you achieve the shot you like. Then source the best local freshly roasted beans and your one button press away from what I rate a great cup of coffee. In this regard I'm very happy with this machine, but could see how a coffee buff would see it as sacrilege.
Cheers! :cheers:
If you want just plain coffee by the cup, I suggest the Aeropress by Aerobie. I just started using this after reading all the hype. This would by my 12th coffee machine to my stable, so I know a bit about making coffee. It is by far superior to the pour over. This was only $37.
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Sure this machine isn't for the super coffee aficionado but this model actually gives you plenty of room for customizing your coffee.
You have a full range of grind qualities you simply choose from course to fine and all else in between, it does have a range of programmable water temperatures, you program the exact amount of water that goes into the shot - which you can measure by extraction time or extraction amount. The machine does an auto tamper but I couldn't tell you the pressure (might be in the manual or could contact Jura).
You choose the strength of the shot which controls the amount of grounds that go into each shot. With this double boiler machine each and every shot pulled is pre-infused. This machine produces a very nice crema in a golden brown color. The milk heating/frothing system is not as good as a cafe machine (can't quite get that sweetness that frothing the traditional way does), but good enough for latte art and far better then 95% of home machines.
The great thing is when you first get the machine you play around with all the variables until you achieve the shot you like. Then source the best local freshly roasted beans and your one button press away from what I rate a great cup of coffee. In this regard I'm very happy with this machine, but could see how a coffee buff would see it as sacrilege.
Cheers! :cheers:
The Crossland CC1 is supposed to be an extremely competent machine. I was thinking of getting this one, but with my PID'd Sylvia, it was too much the same. I ended up getting the Oscar, which is a DB machine, but that has now taken a back seat to the Giotto. I have since sold the Sylvia. Still miss it though.I hated my E61 with all the flushing and messing around to get the temperature right. Switched to a PID:ed dual boiler machine instead, was like night and day.
As for the Aeropress, it's fantastic. But pour-over is also fantastic if done correctly (I use a Hario V60), it mostly depends on the beans.
Using one of those superautomatics is like wearing a quartz watch or digital quartz watch. You just press a button and the shit comes out. There's no knowledge of your extraction. Nothing about grind quality, grind volume, tamp pressure, shot temperature, shot extraction time or amount of extraction. I don't even think that can be pre-infused, nor can you heat up the milk yourself I don't think. I don't think you can even monitor the pressure either. All that is preprogrammed for you. Sorry, only a semi automatic like the Rocket will do for me.
Keurig? Yuk that isn't cofee