[[Suggestions, Corrections, Updates & Discussion]] ALE’s PAM GUIDE ****************

[ALE7575]

Mind if I ask you here @ALE7575, but if the latest releases of the PAM372 are like this, does it means that the cheap (InTime has it for $158) Noob version is the way to go if you don't care about movement accuracy? Thanks!

Yes, Noob from Intime and Toro are the best choices considering price and dial-caseset accuracy.
If you are looking for movement appearance is better go to Clone4

PLEASE DON'T USE THIS THREAD FOR CONSULTS, BECAUSE IT IS BETTER TO KEEP IT AS CLEAN AS POSSIBLE !!
Thanks for your understanding

ALE

 

[lmmo]

Yes, Noob from Intime and Toro are the best choices considering price and dial-caseset accuracy.
If you are looking for movement appearance is better go to Clone4

PLEASE DON'T USE THIS THREAD FOR CONSULTS, BECAUSE IT IS BETTER TO KEEP IT AS CLEAN AS POSSIBLE !!
Thanks for your understanding

ALE

Ooopps... sorry for disturbing the thread.

Moderators: kindly delete my original question and this reply.
[MENTION=35350]ALE7575[/MENTION]: thanks for the usual knowledgeable support.

 

[nigellum]

Can anyone link me to the thread where ALE stated his list of Pam super reps! Much appreciated!

 

[tphan]

Amazing write up. I have spent many hours going through this guide and have gained a lot of knowledge. I really appreciate the time and information you have provided. :thumbup:

 

[dood]

The new H-Fac 224, 228 and 229 should be included in the next update.

 

[ALE7575]

The new H-Fac 224, 228 and 229 should be included in the next update.

Come on !


Is this is a suggestion , a recommendation or an imperative..? Just to know it


Do you know how many reps non included in PAM GUIDE were released before those Firenze?


Aanyway if you have already the data, with pleasure, I will include it in the GUIDE
Waiting for your info


ALE

 

[dood]

Come on !


Is this is a suggestion , a recommendation or an imperative..? Just to know it

A suggestion.

 

[ALE7575]

Update 13 November 2015

New models included in PAM GUIDE:

-Last version 2015 of replica PAM 504
-PAM 504 SF O-series Titanium+DLC coating w/ P.3000 Clone4

The first PAM 504 rep fitted with a P.3000 Clone4 movement, from SF
A bit disappointing release from SF with nice case and finish, but inaccurate hands, hands lume and dial inscription colours.
As usually, one big step forwards and several backwards

Enjoy the new reps

ALE

 

[ALE7575]

Update 21 November 2015

New models included in PAM GUIDE:


All the new reps 2015 of PAM 127
All the new 2015 versions of the awaited reps of the iconic PAM 127 Fiddy after Noob stopped the production of this rep


- PAM 127 E-series ZFac with “Yâ€
The first version fitted with “Y†Incabloc. At the same level as Noob

- PAM 127 E-series KW-V6Fac with “Y†Incabloc
Also fitted with “Y†Incabloc. Nice crystal, awesome finish and gen-like appearance. IMO the best option so far

- PAM 127 OOR Out Of Range Edition- KW-V6Fvac with “Y†Incabloc
The same as previos rep but OOR (Out Of Range) engraving on caseback

- PAM 127 E-series SF with “Y†Incabloc
Better than previous SF version from 2014, with “Y†Incabloc, but some inaccuracies on movement and wrong fonts on dial inscriptions. Non advisable

- PAM 127 E-series with “Y†Incabloc
Better than previous DSN versions, with “Y†Incabloc. Maybe with old Noob case (non confirmed), but still inaccuracies on movement (SF Type, but with worse balance cock). There are better current options

Enjoy the new reps

ALE

 

[sabretoothmj]

Is there a way or a section in the guide that groups the reps by its class for the easy of search and research. For example, I only want to look at the "Super Reps" and don't bother looking at anything below that grade (personally I just look at super reps as you have classified them).

What I do now is search the web page for "Super Reps" (Ctrl + F) and toggle thru the words found on the page. its cumbersome but the only way I know how to search for Super Reps. Unless you have a section in the guide already please let me know so I can refer to it,
thanks.

 

[ALE7575]

Is there a way or a section in the guide that groups the reps by its class for the easy of search and research. For example, I only want to look at the "Super Reps" and don't bother looking at anything below that grade (personally I just look at super reps as you have classified them).

What I do now is search the web page for "Super Reps" (Ctrl + F) and toggle thru the words found on the page. its cumbersome but the only way I know how to search for Super Reps. Unless you have a section in the guide already please let me know so I can refer to it,
thanks.

There is no seaction or way to get your requirements

But this is mainly because the evaluation of Super reps needs some clarifications

Many reps have no Super rep evaluation, mainly due to a display caseback with visible inaccurate Manifattura movement, and could be "better" than some Super reps with closed caseback. Many reps with First Class evaluation, very high quality and strong gen-like apperance would be very good Super reps if they had a closed caseback. (PAM 312, 359, 351, 438, 441, 448.... etc).

Therefore is better read the GUIDE to get the necassary info to make an appropriate purchase decision accordingly with your taste

ALE

 

[ALE7575]

Update 30 November 2015

New model included in PAM GUIDE:


PAM 243 H maker V2 M-series
This H maker V2 is a very good rep and with a very reasonable price. It looks clear that H maker has not completely improved Noob features, it is superior in some aspects but the dial is clearly inferior.
Anyway H maker V2 is a clear Super rep at reasonable price and a very good alternative for the unavailable Noob. If you are lucky and get a rep H maker V2 with wider upper external polished bezel edge, you will have a rep even with better appearance than the better Noobs.


Enjoy the new rep

ALE

 

[ALE7575]

Update 5 December 2015

New models included in PAM GUIDE:

-PAM 243 J-series Tritium dial from H maker
A nice Super rep made from the accurate and well finished caseset of PAM 243 M-series H maker V2 .
H maker has used a new Tritium-like dial with more accurate markers than V2 M-series and with very accurate sausage lume application. Dial inscriptions are still a bit inaccurate the same as in V2 M-series.
Maybe the best option of rep PAM 243 at this moment, since Noob is not available and with similar level of quality.

Enjoy the new rep

ALE

 

[ALE7575]

Update 16 December 2015

New models included in PAM GUIDE:


All 2105 versions of PAM 616 “Carbotech” SUB Luminor 1950 3 days Automatic

-KW-V6Fac Forged Carbon w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2
Nicely made but completely wrong material. Non interesting version

-KW-V6Fac Carbotech w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2
Accurate and well made. Unfortunately pattern of rep Carbotech material leaves a lot to be desired

-ZFac Carbotech w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted improved ZP9000-V2.5
Well built, some important inaccuracies, inconsistent. Inaccurate pattern of rep Carbotech material

-KW-V6Fac Carbotech w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000--SeagullV2
Te same watch as KW-V6Fac previously commented, but with Seagull NON-inverted movement. Interesting

-JF Carbotech w/decorated & modified Asian NON-inverted JP9000-BW@9
Intersting movement with some gen featueres. Nicely made case with good finish. Some important inaccuracies in dial, caseset and movement. Inaccurate pattern of rep Carbotech material.

Enjoy the new reps

ALE

 

[heliohelio]

Hi ALE,

I'm a newbies in this forum and I have spent more time ever (since post school) to read your amazing PAM guide. Salute!

 

[ALE7575]

Update 4th January 2016

New models included in PAM GUIDE:


PAM 571 LUMINOR 1950 Submersible 3 Days Aut.Ti. "Yachts Challenge"
- PAM 571 ZFac P-series w/P.9000 decorated A7750 NON-inverted Improved ZP9000-V2.5)
Good Super rep from ZFac
- PAM 571 KW-V6Fac P-series w/P.9000 decorated A7750 Inverted KP9000-V2
Very good Super rep from KW-V6 the best option for A7750 lovers. One of the best SUBs ever made
- PAM 571 KW-V6Fac P-series w/P.9000 decorated Seagull NON-inverted K9000-SeagullV2
Very good Super rep from KW-V6 the best option for Seagull lovers and cheaper. One of the best SUBs ever made


PAM 519 RADIOMIR 1940 Chronograph Red Gold - California dial
- PAM 519 GOOD Reps wrongly marked O-series w/ Venus ST-19
Just a nice rep without more ambitions
- PAM 519 KW-V6Fac Q-series w/Venus ST-19
Nice watch extremely well made but inaccurate. Only ambitions regarding finish and appearance. Just good as rep


PAM 607 Ceramic LUMINOR 1950 Submersible Dextro Automatic 3days
- PAM 607 KW-V6Fac P-series Ceramic w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2
The same as PAM 508 but in Dextro version. Nice Super rep for A7750 lovers
- PAM 607 KW-V6Fac P-series Ceramic w/decorated KP9000-Seagull V2 NON-inverted
The same as PAM 508 but in Dextro version. The best Super rep option for Seagull lovers


PAM 604 “Firenze†Radiomir 3 Days
- PAM 604 ZFac R-series w/ P.3000 Clone4
Interesting rep with good solutions. The best current option, although it has some important flaws which downgrade the evaluation
- PAM 604 SF R-series w/ P.3000 Clone4
Good attempt from SF, unfortunately with some important and unacceptable flaws to get First Class rep evaluation
- PAM 604 KW-V6Fac R-series w/ P.3000 decorated A6497
Replica without ambitions with important flaws and inaccuracies together with good features. To be avoided



Enjoy the new reps

ALE

 

[ALE7575]

Update 10 January 2016

New models included in PAM GUIDE:

KW-V6Fac P-series w/ Asian 23J decorated like P.999
Nice attempt from KW. Unfortunately the slim thickness of the gen Manifattura P.999 movement and the display caseback don’t allow a better evaluation. Very well made rep but it has some important flaws. Anyway nice rep for small wrist and for women loving PAMs.


Enjoy the new reps

ALE

 

[shelby1501]

Thanks for adding 512, just a minor mistake, biggest picture up there isn't 512 since it has number 9 right?

 

[ALE7575]

Thanks for adding 512, just a minor mistake, biggest picture up there isn't 512 since it has number 9 right?

Thanks for the input
I made a mistake in several things of the PAM 512 releases. I will correct then immediately
Really useful
Rep points added

ALE

 

[shelby1501]

No worries ALE, not a big contribution but thanks for rep points.