SH4131 VS. Gen4131 disassembled comparison pictures

[scarface1926]

about the movement that the AR+F 4131 has, how does it compare to the sh4131?

 

[sfbatman787]

about the movement that the AR+F 4131 has, how does it compare to the sh4131?

It's a step up, but not as good as dd4130

 

[scarface1926]

so we have an improvement on the existing sh4130 to be on display 4131 if i am doing something wrong and can you explain

 

[Reaps]

Controversial take : I think it's fine if it's not a "true clone". It sucks but for 90% of us who don't super franken or replace with gen parts, it's not a blow. Yes it's nice but it's not a deal breaker. Yes it's also nice to be able to repair with gen parts but let's be honest if the DD4130 broke most of us would just buy a new one, when a gen part is like 1/5th the cost of a whole new Daytona.

For me, personally, because this movement is used in a open caseback, I would rather they pay attention to the finishing and engraving quality of the plates at the rear.

And hopefully Dandong will release a 4131 clone sometime in the future.

 

[trailboss99]

Outstanding work once again by CTime, you can't hope for a more comprehensive review of the movement than that!

 

[CTime]

I dont know. From looking at side by side, it's clear that the mainplate is missing some jewels and has a few extra things which tells me that gen balance wheel, pallet fork, escape wheel and bridge won't fit. Plus hearing that the SH mainplate is bigger than gen 4131 mainplate, which is a huge step back.

Kind of disappointed, tbh.

As I know the size is the same, Even it's based on SH4130, the diameter was changed on SH4131

 

[scarface1926]

is SH4131 movement 1 to 1 with genus? this would be good to clarify if it is or not

 

[sfbatman787]

is SH4131 movement 1 to 1 with genus? this would be good to clarify if it is or not

No, it isn't. While it might take genuine hands and some genuine parts, it will not accept genuine balance wheel, escape wheel, bridge, and pallet fork.

@CTime did a comparison between the Genuine 4130 and DD4130, and the replica mainplate is not only higher quality than SH4131, it is 1:1.

I don't understand why Clean would even consider this low-tier movement. Here's a quick comparison I did: The Genuine 4131 uses the exact same mainplate as the Genuine 4130. The DD4130 mainplate, in addition to being excellent quality, is identical to that of the Genuine 4130 and 4131. Clean could have easily collaborated with the DD4130 factory to upgrade the bridges, and we would have had an excellent movement. The SH4131 looks inferior from all angles.

 

[heska]

@sfbatman787 "Low tier" is a bit of an exaggeration. VR3135 has the same kind of simplification around balance and is a very decent movement.

This is a low tier 4131: https://forum.replica-watch.info/threads/ar-f-4131-movement-tear-down.10966176/ (and it comes from, or at leats is a modified dandong!)

 

[sfbatman787]

@sfbatman787 "Low tier" is a bit of an exaggeration. VR3135 has the same kind of simplification around balance and is a very decent movement.

This is a low tier 4131: https://forum.replica-watch.info/threads/ar-f-4131-movement-tear-down.10966176/ (and it comes from, or at leats is a modified dandong!)

For the price clean will be selling these models, i do think we are getting a low tier movement. If the price was in the $500 range, sure you can make that case.

 

[derjenigewelcher]

For the price clean will be selling these models, i do think we are getting a low tier movement. If the price was in the $500 range, sure you can make that case.

Think on noob v4 with DD movement, 688usd in the end

 

[dogwood]

I have no doubt we’ll see a DD4131 at some point. I suspect the reason Clean went with SH over DD is some combination of:

1) Clean wanted exclusivity and that might have been too expensive to get from Dandong; or Clean might have been out bid by BTF/3KF on the DD4131.

2) SH4131 was first to market so maybe Clean went with SH because SH could deliver in quantity faster than Dandong. The saying goes: “A good plan now is better than the perfect plan later”.

As for the SH4131 (and SH4130) being lower tier than the DD4130… yeah I agree there are differences. For a franken project you’d want to start with the DD movement. But the SH daytona movements don’t look bad. The only differences are in the escapement. And the SH4131 has a fully packed rotor bearing block which is an upgrade over the dd4130.

 

[SOLEX]

This is amazing, question is how does the actual watch look? If its still crap it would be like having a ferrari v12 in a pinto

 

[engbanna1]

Thank you, @CTime. To be honest, I'm disappointed. I revisited your comparison between the DD4130 and gen 4130 and realized the meticulous effort that went into creating the DD4130 movement. It's truly a 1:1 clone, except for the balance bridge and it is almost gen, not to mention its final finish which is remarkable. However, the SH4131 movement falls significantly short in terms of quality compared to the DD4130. From the numerous non-genuine like parts to the machining and final finish, this movement still has a long way to go and requires significant improvements to reach to the level of DD4130.

Hi everyone

Here is the official release now!

This SH4131 was built based on SH4130 and has 75h power reserve. Clean took part in the movement building with SH(Jinghe) movement factory and in charge of the movement polishing, plating, engraving and assembling. This means Clean has the exclusivity to SH4131 movement.

Clean has done a lot of improvements on SH4131, such as overall polishing, reshaping oscillating rotor, upgrading the rotor bearing, rebuilding the auto device bridge, changed the shock absorbing part of the balance wheel... The problems like chronograph hand wrongly zeroing on SH4130 will be solved this time. The stability of this movement is much better after testing.

This movement is a true clone of 4131, we can see no much difference on the parts, and polishing is much better than other SH movement. It’s almost competitive with DD4130.




That's all for now, we will bring you more interesting content in the future(hint: 126500/126519 comparison)

Love
Ctime

 

[Bobi01]

Thank you, @CTime. To be honest, I'm disappointed. I revisited your comparison between the DD4130 and gen 4130 and realized the meticulous effort that went into creating the DD4130 movement. It's truly a 1:1 clone, except for the balance bridge and it is almost gen, not to mention its final finish which is remarkable. However, the SH4131 movement falls significantly short in terms of quality compared to the DD4130. From the numerous non-genuine like parts to the machining and final finish, this movement still has a long way to go and requires significant improvements to reach to the level of DD4130.

In my opinion, as long as you not going frankening parts and movement runs reliable without issues, it is good

 

[engbanna1]

Why would a I go to an inferior option while I see a superior one looming in the future and at the same price tag?

 

[Reaps]

Why would a I go to an inferior option while I see a superior one looming in the future and at the same price tag?

There is no confirmation or even a rumor that Dandong is releasing a 4131.....

And, with the replica game, there are no promises for the future.

Anyways, I don't mind the SH4131 if it's reliable. I care more about the aesthetics. Rep movement is rep movement lol.

 

[Bobi01]

Why would a I go to an inferior option while I see a superior one looming in the future and at the same price tag?

Nothing is 100% , especially in the rep world.. where is the warranty that in the future will be better movement than this? We dont know what is happening in their factories

 

[Bobi01]

There is no confirmation or even a rumor that Dandong is releasing a 4131.....

And, with the replica game, there are no promises for the future.

Anyways, I don't mind the SH4131 if it's reliable. I care more about the aesthetics. Rep movement is rep movement lol.

Hahahah bro in the same time

 

[Reaps]

Hahahah bro in the same time

Well, different people have different priorities in the replica game I guess. DD4130 really did push the expectations and boundaries for replicas, I feel it really spoiled all of us hahaha. 5 years ago if the SH4131 was released we would have been blown away.