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"RWI" branded watch by Luthier

trksh-bzr

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Sub bro...

luth is not a dealer here on or on ay rep board.
This started only because there will be no exchange of moolah untill finalized product in ready to ship!
There isn't anyone taking preorders! there is currently a discussion of wether anyone wants to see a seconid watch from the designer of the rwg watch, that's all.
Believe me, we are not that silly, to just sit here and watch a member (albeit oldtimer well known memebr) stroll in and show us the rules.
Luth is allowed to even discuss this given the trust staff has in him, but ultimately, he's not taking anything remotely similar to "orders" and it won't happen!
when the first project is prooven to be good, ofcourse, the thought of a second one is possible, but under same rules as number one, seen in the logic light, that noone can loose anything other than their number in the "yes/no" thread. no moolah involved.
 

sub4me

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trk, yes I understand that and its a very important fact in this, to protect the members.

Maybe Luth takes me as the enemy (probably does) but I really didn't set out to harm him, I like transparency when it comes to the forum, I know its not always possible though.
 

trksh-bzr

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trk, yes I understand that and its a very important fact in this, to protect the members.

Maybe Luth takes me as the enemy (probably does) but I really didn't set out to harm him, I like transparency when it comes to the forum, I know its not always possible though.


Sub, I know you well enough to know you are like a bull terrier who wants to protect the forum, and we do love you for that :wub:

new guys and people less patriotic about RWI maybe sometimes need a little time to get you....
 

Kleen

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The truth can always be defended. Whatever the truth might be.
 

Q5?

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Can I merge all of Kleen's posts in this here thread into one?

Oh yes I can. :lol:
 

KBH

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That's the part I don't buy, 300 pieces at $300 each is $90,000, theres funds being made here believe that.
As has been said before, you really have no business in this. You're not in any way involved so why are you continuing to make it your business.

So lets just wait and see when and if the finished product is delivered, the quality of the product, and we can discuss it from there. In the mean time anyone is welcome to tell me to go Fu-k myself.
OK I'll agree with what Sconey posted on that.

I know a lot of guys want to tell me about business, believe me I don't need the advice or buy the BS either.
Only a small mind refuses to listen or learn because he already knows it all.

Just once, I'd like to see Sub man up and admit he was wrong. Even if he'd just admit he wasn't completely 100% right would be a promising first step.
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The truth can always be defended. Whatever the truth might be.
Keep working that post count. You're doing a fine job Kleen. :thumbsup:
 

Kleen

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(...except maybe Q5 is on to me, but I think I got away with it....)
 

Luthier

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Solk, I don't know you but I'm relatively sure that your participation in this watch project stems from your love for RWG. That is a honorable motive and is beyond reproach. As you and others keep pointing out Luth is not making any money on this project, in fact, actually losing money, a lot of money. All that would be admirable if he was motivated by love for his forum. The reason for the scrutiny is because of Luth's seemingly negative opinion of RWG since his arrival here. As much as you love RWG many members here feel the same way about RWI, therefore it's not, how did you put it "fooking bull shit",(that may not be the exact term) for long time members here to question Luth's motives as to WHY he would be so quick to and actually proud of the fact that he's losing all this time and money building a watch for a forum that he's not a part of and post negative comments about....I'M SORRY FOR POINTING OUT THE OBVIOUS!
And Luth while we disagree on many things, I have nothing against you personally and I really love the watch design and hope it all works out perfectly...I really hope you don't decide to attack me personally for stating what many of us are thinking.


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Mitch, we can disagree on many, even on all things, but it doesn't mean I disrespect you. Quite an opposite. OK, here's a few answers to you:
First - I do NOT have any negative opinions about RWG, there's tons of people, whom I love and respect, and it was my home for more, than 4 years. Some shit happened between me and Administration in a matter of terminology, that was against my principles, and I stay behind my principles, doesn't matter what. Did I feel sorry, that I left? Not in a second. Will I ever come back. No way.
Why I still working on RWG watch? Because I'm professional designer, I love to design things, and this watch is my child, doesn't matter, is there RWG on dial, or my own brand name. Also - I promised this watch to the Forum, to my friends, and I'm trying to keep my promises. Always.
Second - again, and the last time about money. Yes, I'm losing quite a lot, but why nobody pay any attention to the things I said many times already? I said - more, than half of the money are in molds and fixtures. So, maybe, not from second batch (which will be NOT RWG or RWI branded, but with my own brand name), but from the third and fourth and next batches, that will be available to the general public - I definitely will earn some, and, maybe, quite good money, IF the general public will love and buy my watches. So, eventually, all losses will be covered. Again - let me repeat it - me and Mary going legit, she's tired of replicas scene, and I perfectly understand her - 4 years of crazy work, 2 nervous breakdowns, ended in hospital, no money can buy health she lost. And she perfectly understand the danger of it. Don't worry, she's not retiring... yet... but she will.
And third - to Sub - no, mate, I don't hate you, not at all. You are smart man, and it deserve respect already. So, chill out, I'll not appear at your doorsteps in the near future. :D And if I will - I'll come with box of the best beer in the World. Your only problem is - you have no any slightest idea, of what China is, how to do business there, and how much things cost there, but you present your conclusions as a knowledge, that you don't have. But I'm OK with it, because here's many people, who definitely know a lot about business in China, and they know, what I'm talking about.
About RWI watch. I don't have ANY plans to start it before RWG watch saga will be finished. And even after that - I'll have to think, if I want to do it. Am I sure, that RWG watch will be 100% perfect? No. It could be above my expectation, and it could be below it. I simply don't know. All the parts, that I've seen myself, are good. But final product... I have no idea. Maybe, 99% of buyers will be super happy, but I'll be not. I just hope, that it will worth $300, and people will be happy. Just last night I've talked to Mary, and she told me, that she found a shop, that specialize on watch parts, and movements parts, even A7750/A7753 movements parts. So, after sale service and repair (if needed) will be not a problem. I'll ask Chris, what A775X parts need to buy, and we'll have stock. Also, I bought 20 more A7753 mov'ts, just in case.
OK, I'm done with this thread. Huge thanks to Solky, turkish, Scone and others, who helped and stand behind this project.

Oh, and to Kleen - you ARE an idiot. Only idiot would continue to do shit, after many people spit in your face.
:p
 

sub4me

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KBH, I will take interest in anything I please. I'm not sure whats up your ass about me and I don't care. I thought over the years we were good but I guess not. So if I hurt your little feelings put me on ignore.


Can I merge all of Kleen's posts in this here thread into one?

Oh yes I can. :lol:

Do it, I'd like to see all his posts in one post, LOL.

Luth, that's was a good response, gotta respect you for that.:sub4me:
 

Kleen

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Luth:

You know me to about the same extent that I know you. In this context you are as much of an internet entity to me as I am to you - so please feel free to play whatever part you fancy. I, on the other hand, will ask the questions I see fit, driven by my many years of interest in watches (gens and reps alike) in general, and more specifically within this thread, in admiration of Sols great design and an (albeit-ever-so-slightly-decreasing) respect for the venture you yourself have taken upon your shoulders with the RWG watch project.

However, from the answers I receive to my noobishly naive questions, I find myself able to deduct far more important information than just the 'raw data' contained within the answers I get, e.g; about a persons character, integrity, ethics, morale, resolve and (occasionally mediocre) intelligence.
And to me, you are starting to come across as a know-it-all megalomaniac with severe (and to a large extent self-inflicted) delusions of grandeur.

But I also know that most people (even the most prickly internet hardmen) turn out to be really good guys, once you get to know them better. It is just that in your case, I'm not sure if I can be bothered to invest the time needed to reach that level of rapport and/or recognition. But I'm sure "your" watch will turn out great. Afterall - it's your big head that is at stake, is it not?!

Ed. rem:
Oh, and spit is just a complex mixture of water and enzymes, isn't it.
In the real world, that is...
 

mitchbaria

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Group hugs all around!!!!!!i still think the watch is a bad mofo....:cheese: