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Rolex Submariner noob V5 $368
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Verylong is right Seiko, you need to contact the dealer. They should help resolve your issues. Or at least give you some sort of recourse.
Too bad to hear that we aren't getting what's being advertised.
And from Toro no less! For shame.
Too bad to hear that we aren't getting what's being advertised.
And from Toro no less! For shame.
Like I said, I did contact them and they said what they said, that These A3135 movement are used basic A2836 movement just decorated Rol 3135 looking, the function not the same
I don't think that's correct. Maybe I'm mistaken. I've requested a return address to mail it back or a refund for the price difference at their choice, and got no more replies. I know it's a no-no to open PP cases and I wont. I just don't want to keep it quiet, if I was mistaken, I apologise. If they made an honest mistake and sent a wrong watch, I can understand, mistakes happen. But then their email claiming a clone is just a decorated 2836 and the hands don't work the way they should is weird. But if this is a marketing trick, it's unfair to other TDs and I want it to be known.
I don't think that's correct. Maybe I'm mistaken. I've requested a return address to mail it back or a refund for the price difference at their choice, and got no more replies. I know it's a no-no to open PP cases and I wont. I just don't want to keep it quiet, if I was mistaken, I apologise. If they made an honest mistake and sent a wrong watch, I can understand, mistakes happen. But then their email claiming a clone is just a decorated 2836 and the hands don't work the way they should is weird. But if this is a marketing trick, it's unfair to other TDs and I want it to be known.
It's not about me getting stuck with the dealer anymore, I don't care about the return or refund very much. It would be nice, but I'll live anyway. I want this clarified, is a clone movement advertised on their site is just a decorated 2836 as it turned out to be or is it a clone in the sense that I thought it was, with a correct crown-hands action.
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That's not how it works, you take it up with the dealer, if you don't get satisfaction you take out a support ticket and the staff assist you. THEN you can report on what happened in the dealer's review section. THAT IS HOW IT WORKS!
Not asking, srsly.
Honestly I wouldn't send it back. But that's just me. I would take a little loss and sell it here on the forum. Might lose a little money, but that way you don't risk customs or any issues sending it back. Probably won't lose too much by selling it here.
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The clone one that Toro offers is just a Asian 2836 with writing on it that saids rolex and 3186 for the movement number. He will be the first one to tell you, not to get it and that it is a waist of money. He pushed me to the asian 2836. He claimed that they are just as good if not better than the orig ETA's. because the ETA's that are "new" are not new but refebs. So I did what he told me to and got the asian one. When I got it, it worked for two days and died. He was very good to deal with. Not really at first, but after I open a ticket and he and I agreed on, him sending me a real ETA moment, weather it be worked on or brand new, and I would pay his price for it. So I had to paypal him another $100 dollars and he shipped me a new ETA movement. It was new. I took it to my watch smith and he reviewed it and said to him it looks brand new.
The other option you have is a Yuki 3135. That is an exact clone of an Rolex 3135. It just comes dirty and needs a few parts to be changed to get it to work 100% reliable. Misiekped over at RWG and on this site to, is a watchmaker that makes those movements run unbelievably. I have a TC sub that I put the yuki in and used a Gen hands, dail, crystal, crown and tube, and date wheel. Looks and runs like gen. Love it. Problem is it won't fit in the watches made for a 2836. Only in gen like housings, which TC makes and Phong makes, and Sean which stopped making them but some pop up here and there. Hope this helps.
The other option you have is a Yuki 3135. That is an exact clone of an Rolex 3135. It just comes dirty and needs a few parts to be changed to get it to work 100% reliable. Misiekped over at RWG and on this site to, is a watchmaker that makes those movements run unbelievably. I have a TC sub that I put the yuki in and used a Gen hands, dail, crystal, crown and tube, and date wheel. Looks and runs like gen. Love it. Problem is it won't fit in the watches made for a 2836. Only in gen like housings, which TC makes and Phong makes, and Sean which stopped making them but some pop up here and there. Hope this helps.
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Oh and Toro is a stand up guy. His word is true, If he said he will do it, he will. Just don't be like me and flood him with emails... LOL. Even being a pest he did what he said he would do. He is a good man and great dealer.
OK, you're the boss, I did like you said.
But it's not about me getting satisfaction, I won't be satisfied anyway. I won't mail him the watch back because I don't trust him anymore and if a ruling is made in my favor I am willing to donate the price difference I was overchaged to support this website. It's just that I wanted one watch and got a different one after waiting for like three weeks, because aparrently a clone is not a clone after all, but you can only find it out if Toro is in the mood to tell you about it. Otherwise you get a decorated ETA with incorrect hand movement which he just chose to call a clone for his convenience, and for which he charged exactly the same premium ($80) other TDs charge for a real clone. See, it's about incorrect and unfair advertising.
Well I bought 5 watches from him, never bitched even though one of them was DOA and had to be sent back and yet he chose not to tell me what he told you. Maybe I don't have what it takes, haha
Please PM me your email, and I will send the return address. I have no problem refund you if the watch is brand new.
To be fair, the watch itself is flawless, I've compared it to a gen and couldn't find anything wrong about it. The lume is applied perfectly, the bezel is great, the cyclops is glued evenly, the chapter ring is properly installed and the best part, it runs like a real rolex! +2s/60 hrs so far. If the hands worked properly, I could have had a lot of fun tricking people priding themselves on owning a gen with it
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There are 2 types of 'clone' in these Rolex. One which is what u got, 3135 clone, aka a decorated 2836.
Another is the SA3135, which accept gen hands etc, that is the one u looking for.
I'm on my handphone so it's hard to check, but u can go to other TD's website and counter check if the price u paid is correct for a decorated 2836.
If yes, it's a miscommunication, if not, then it you can reflect it.
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Another is the SA3135, which accept gen hands etc, that is the one u looking for.
I'm on my handphone so it's hard to check, but u can go to other TD's website and counter check if the price u paid is correct for a decorated 2836.
If yes, it's a miscommunication, if not, then it you can reflect it.
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Well obviously it's not brand new anymore, I've opened it to take the pictures of the movement that I posted. And after getting no response I removed the bracelet which is still in factory plastic and I am wearing it today on a NATO. So no, it's NOT brand new anymore. Besides, I DO have a problem mailing it back to you. I'd rather sell it here myself and take a loss as another member suggested. Safer this way.
Well the first one I checked was puretime, and they have it for 468 - http://www.pure-time.com/product/submariner-116610-ln-black-ceramic-lf-11-best-edition-sa3135-v3/
I was quoted $448 which is close enough, especially considering that Toro is normally a couple of bucks cheaper than they are and I was ordering two watches together plus I was a return customer, so I figured it was the same. Because a "clone" means a "clone". In what language does a "3135 clone" translate to a "totally different movement with different action that has 3135 stamped on it?"
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Your looking in the wrong area for the real "CLONE" 3135. None of these guys have it. http://www.yukiwatch.com/catalog/item/7069112/9511391.htm
That is where you get a "CLONE" movement and you have to spend money to get it clean and oiled and a few new gen rolex parts and you have a great clone solid reliable 3135 hybrid watch. I own on and it run just a well as my gen 3135. Hope this gives you a little insight.
Also to trash a Freely dealer here is not so cool. Just open a ticket and between kids and the buyer who is a company and is in it to make money and have you come back. Something can be worked out. Toro is a man of his word. But everything takes a lot of time.
If it were me. I wound get in contact with a watch maker. My favorite in Mike here in NY screen name Misiekped, reasonable in price and also contact Yuki. Buy the yuki movement and send it all to Mike. Get the rolex hands, dial,date wheel, rolex parts for movement,Gen Crystal and use the parts from the watch. That my friend would be the perfict frankenrolex. It is really about 50% real The hands turn the right way, ticks the right way. The crystal and face with the date wheel make the face look unbelievable.
Sorry to jump in like this, but a $438 dollar fake rolex is a good copy. That is what you have. A good copy. You will learn in this hobby that we want those good watches to be as real as possible. Contact Mike. You won't be sorry. The product you will get is great taking. You will never want to take it off. Good Luck.
Robert
That is where you get a "CLONE" movement and you have to spend money to get it clean and oiled and a few new gen rolex parts and you have a great clone solid reliable 3135 hybrid watch. I own on and it run just a well as my gen 3135. Hope this gives you a little insight.
Also to trash a Freely dealer here is not so cool. Just open a ticket and between kids and the buyer who is a company and is in it to make money and have you come back. Something can be worked out. Toro is a man of his word. But everything takes a lot of time.
If it were me. I wound get in contact with a watch maker. My favorite in Mike here in NY screen name Misiekped, reasonable in price and also contact Yuki. Buy the yuki movement and send it all to Mike. Get the rolex hands, dial,date wheel, rolex parts for movement,Gen Crystal and use the parts from the watch. That my friend would be the perfict frankenrolex. It is really about 50% real The hands turn the right way, ticks the right way. The crystal and face with the date wheel make the face look unbelievable.
Sorry to jump in like this, but a $438 dollar fake rolex is a good copy. That is what you have. A good copy. You will learn in this hobby that we want those good watches to be as real as possible. Contact Mike. You won't be sorry. The product you will get is great taking. You will never want to take it off. Good Luck.
Robert
Thanks for your input, Robert. Of course it's uncool to trash people. But it's not a mutual admiration society here. It's uncool to misrepresent stuff you are selling, duh. And this would have never been happening had my messages been answered, like Toro did a few posts before, or had there been no misrepresentation of the product in the first place. That's why I think it's the correct place and thread to talk about it, because if other members are looking into purchasing a Noob 5 from Toro and choose the base model, all I can say is go for it, it exceeds expectations. Perfect in every way. Even the invisable crown etched in the crystal is 100% per gen. But if you opt for the "clone" upgrade be advised that it's a waste of time and you'll be throwing your extra $80 down the drain. Not only that, but you won't get the correct hands-crown movement which I think is the main reason to choose a clone, besides the possibility of installing gen dials and hands. Apparently if Toro really likes you or is in a good mood, he'll tell you the same or at least warn you that his 'Clone" isn't a clone after all.
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To clarify, there are 2 types of "real" 3135 clone. One from yuki, the other one are from the TDs, in the rep.
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