Review of ZZF New Sub 116610 LN and Comparison vs. Gen, ARF, Noob and Nail (PART I)

[Vvvlllooo]

I like the data given. I agree we have to wait until the second post comes out to form a full evaluation. It's a really good comparison and only a view from one person, the factory selling it. Let the forum speak it's mind once the other comparison is out. It' gonna take a lot for me to move off of ARF and Noob V9 and based on these pictures still not sold.. I like the competition in the market place. It ups the quality and it hopefully draws the attention of the two heavy hitters to up their game.

 

[Tigerdragon]

I agree competition is always good i hope someday there will be more competition in the AP sector aswell

 

[Vvvlllooo]

I agree competition is always good i hope someday there will be more competition in the AP sector aswell

One can dream right! Lol AP sector

 

[Asmodeus]

Dude, calm down. This is no different than JF and Puretime. At least he believes in the products he is selling, and it's up to us as a community to vet that marketing. It's nice to have these types of posts as a resource, and de-basing him based on his belief that it's a good product only encourages him to not do this. If you don't want him to post comparison shots, then just say that. He even asked what kind of comparison shots we wanted ahead of time, then showed each watch at the same angle with the same lighting. I for one appreciate it, and just add it as one point of data in a sea of great submariner posts and options.

I am curious what the experts think, like smoke.

I am very calm. I am also very aware of his marketting strategies. I have no sympathy for Angus as well as I've bashed him for his mistakes,rwi staff knows. At least he was openly asking for suggestions and didn't hide the fact he is directly affiliated, neither made false statements on his "reviews/comparisons". Don't you find it strange that there is no word about the lugs, rehault alignment? He spent so much time shooting all these watches and for some reason he felt tired to shoot the bad parts of his promoted product?

Also when he makes statements about ZZF it's either gen-like or best, however when another make has better parts he just labels them as "good".

There are a lot of people over here who just hype over TDs words, which is fine, but not with false statements.

Oh, no bracelet pictures? Guess why..

 

[xartan]

If this is a bad looking watch it will not gain popularity. I think the rounded markers are great. Hands look poor, though.

 

[Vvvlllooo]

I am very calm. I am also very aware of his marketting strategies. I have no sympathy for Angus as well as I've bashed him for his mistakes,rwi staff knows. At least he was openly asking for suggestions and didn't hide the fact he is directly affiliated, neither made false statements on his "reviews/comparisons". Don't you find it strange that there is no word about the lugs, rehault alignment? He spent so much time shooting all these watches and for some reason he felt tired to shoot the bad parts of his promoted product?

Also when he makes statements about ZZF it's either gen-like or best, however when another make has better parts he just labels them as "good".

There are a lot of people over here who just hype over TDs words, which is fine, but not with false statements.

Oh, no bracelet pictures? Guess why..

I would agree with using verbiage like “genlike”...shouldn’t come directly from dealers, it’s kind of false advertising...so I get what you are saying. I think the guy just needs to compare the watches..and let the forum speak..sell the sizzle...and not the false claims...

 

[Asmodeus]

I would agree with using verbiage like “genlike”...shouldn’t come directly from dealers, it’s kind of false advertising...so I get what you are saying. I think the guy just needs to compare the watches..and let the forum speak..sell the sizzle...and not the false claims...

Spot on.

 

[majwilliams0308]

I am very calm. I am also very aware of his marketting strategies. I have no sympathy for Angus as well as I've bashed him for his mistakes,rwi staff knows. At least he was openly asking for suggestions and didn't hide the fact he is directly affiliated, neither made false statements on his "reviews/comparisons". Don't you find it strange that there is no word about the lugs, rehault alignment? He spent so much time shooting all these watches and for some reason he felt tired to shoot the bad parts of his promoted product?

Also when he makes statements about ZZF it's either gen-like or best, however when another make has better parts he just labels them as "good".

There are a lot of people over here who just hype over TDs words, which is fine, but not with false statements.

Oh, no bracelet pictures? Guess why..

Fair enough. I guess I was just viewing your post as being a 'negative nancy', but your words are true.

 

[jtimewatch]

Asmodeus
Thank you for sharing your thoughts about the watch again, I appreciate that.

I understand this is a free community that everybody can speak out what ever they want to here.
But like I replied you in last bezel review, I don't know why you always make it like a personal abuse.
Did I offend you somewhere somehow before? I guess not.
Come on, dude! You don't even know me, then come to judge my personality? Is it proper to do for an adult?

Anyways, about your "guess why", you and every other members will see more pictures in PART II review.

 

[Asmodeus]

Asmodeus
Thank you for sharing your thoughts about the watch again, I appreciate that.

I understand this is a free community that everybody can speak out what ever they want to here.
But like I replied you in last bezel review, I don't know why you always make it like a personal abuse.
Did I offend you somewhere somehow before? I guess not.
Come on, dude! You don't even know me, then come to judge my personality? Is it proper to do for an adult?

Anyways, about your "guess why", you and every other members will see more pictures in PART II review.

Nothing personal. This is a hobbyist community and I just don't like people who try to fool others in order to make monies.

So, my suggestion is, cut the crap, make a simple comparison thread to promote your products (which you did fine), but keep the labels off. Let people judge themselves. I've said the same thing when you posted your bezel and you with ?chinowolf? where promoting each other as if you are not directly affiliated with the maker. So yeah, your marketing practises are, at least, shady.


As for the Part II review, this is part of your marketing. Promote the good parts of the product, build the hype up, make sales, then pretend to be neutral, so when people start whining about your false advertisement you can claim that "I've never hidden anything". Show the HUGE flaws of your product immediately. Not with a part II after you make monies. Yadadamean?

 

[Smoke]

I don't like this sub .Plus 2836 is not good .it's 2019 we don't want 2836 subs no more.just my opinion though. Maybe people still want 2836 with the fat ugly cg

 

[Asmodeus]

I don't like this sub .Plus 2836 is not good .it's 2019 we don't want 2836 subs no more.just my opinion though. Maybe people still want 2836 with the fat ugly cg

I don't see the point of 2836, Even if people want more reliable movements makers can use 2824, which has almost the same crown height which gives some potential to the case to be correct.

 

[JMK]

Folks... if I may make a suggestion here... I think the best course of action is for us to provide objective feedback on the watch. Info for people to read, judge, etc. Ranting about sales/style/hype, etc does none of us any good. While I do agree that there is a certain amount of excitement from the author, I hope you’ve all come to appreciate how much hard work it is to actually rep these watches. It’s quite an achievement even if the end result isn’t perfect or on par with folks like noob with nine+ versions out there.

This is version 1 ... let’s hope our feedback is taken as input into version 2.

The good:
Dial markers/Dial print
Datewheel ok... some numbers could use a little improvement
Bezel
Insert

Bad (from pics on jtime site)
Crown Guards
SEL gaps
Rehaut

Unknown:
Clasp
Bracelet (feel)
Weight
Hands? Not sure

Please take this list and add/remove/swap... etc.


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[Asmodeus]

Folks... if I may make a suggestion here... I think the best course of action is for us to provide objective feedback on the watch. Info for people to read, judge, etc. Ranting about sales/style/hype, etc does none of us any good. While I do agree that there is a certain amount of excitement from the author, I hope you’ve all come to appreciate how much hard work it is to actually rep these watches. It’s quite an achievement even if the end result isn’t perfect or on par with folks like noob with nine+ versions out there.

This is version 1 ... let’s hope our feedback is taken as input into version 2.

The good:
Dial markers/Dial print
Datewheel ok... some numbers could use a little improvement
Bezel
Insert

Bad (from pics on jtime site)
Crown Guards
SEL gaps
Rehaut

Unknown:
Clasp
Bracelet (feel)
Weight
Hands? Not sure

Please take this list and add/remove/swap... etc.


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Some people's words should be taken as the gospel. One of them is when smoke talks about subs. I won't even bother talk about myself.

 

[xartan]

I think you can add hands to the bad list.

 

[Breitluc]

jtimewatch When can we expect part II?

 

[Itto]

What interests me the most recently - not just here but in all Sub releases - is the bracelet and the middle part of the SELs.

The main links on a gen bracelet are really tight, you almost can not see a gap where the outer and inner parts are joined together. They appear as almost one part. This is important for me.

Regarding the middle part of the SEL: IMHO the Noob sticks out way too far - it extends too far beyond the lugs. Here, ARF is definitely better, but they f*cked up the main links. If only a maker could get both things right.

And yeah, the zzf rehaut alignment (x's / r's) is a joke.

 

[jtimewatch]

jtimewatch When can we expect part II?

Probably tonight or tomorrow. Just keep in touch.

 

[Sub116610LN]

My opinion, to improve the SEL fitting between the lugs, the factory could move a bit up the SEL hole to lower the SEL and leave a little bit more gap on horizontal levels, just calibrate better the drilling machine

 

[rolexppapfan]

OMG JUST saw the pics of rehaut on the jtimestore website and until this fuc**ng day I can't understand why no other factories buy a machine or whatever noob is using to make their perfect rehaut.The SEL are bad too but the DW is better than on the ARF , the clasp isn't the best also TODAY I DONT SEE A REASON TO BUY A ZZF SUB ILL BETTER GOO WITH A MODED NOOB OR ARF