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Review of EBEL 1911 Discovery Chronograph 7750

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Finally I got this watch! I have become very selective with my new purchases lately, and this is my first replica acquisition in 10 months!

I've been searching for a good rep of Ebel 1911 Chronograph since I came to this community, and I actually bought one from Richard Lawton in May, 2005.

That watch has been documented, just like almost all the replicas I have owned. See the article HERE. I also purchased a BTR/fantasy replica from Narikaa a year ago, which was reviewed HERE.

Both of those were rather nice cheaper quartz reps, but eventually they simply didn't cut it for me, and my search for a good Ebel rep was doomed to continue. Finally, in the spring of 2008 they replicated the BTR with 7750 movement, which was great news.

Here are two amazing pictorials of the BTR chrono by Lanikai and
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Why Discovery Chrono is the better choice?

BTR is the "flagship" range of the Ebel chronographs. They use various inhouse movements and even very expensive complications. A BTR tourbillon is also rumored. All of these models come with tight subdial spacings and decorated movements with open, transparent casebacks.

Here's the official jargon:

"The entire development and construction of Caliber 137 was done 100% by Ebel and five years were needed to finalize the development and proceed to production of Caliber 137 which was launched for the very first time in 1995 and housed within the 1911 line under the name Modulor: The 1911 Chronograph was born. It is worth mentioning that Ebel integrated a very important and innovative function in this movement: the bidirectional winding of the movement (nicknamed “magic clicks”)"

Naturally our only automatic replica chrono movement, the lowly A7750, can't mimic such movements (and their subdial spacings). The gen BTR was a "hot topic" in the RWG when it came out, and it was one of the most anticipated reps. However, when the rep came out, the very characteristic '9 and '6 subdial "meeting point" looked wrong, and that very cool "V" rotor wasn't replicated at all. Those two flaws were disappointing to many, and the (otherwise nice) rep never became a huge success story.

Even with those problems, the BTR replica is still extremely impressive and good looking watch, imho. I actually ordered one already (from Eurotimez), but at the very same day they released the Discovery Chrono.

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Discovery is the starting model of Ebel Chronographs. It falls into the popular $2K price category where it faces a tough competition in TAG, Breitling and Omega. Just like many of its competitors, gen Discovery utilizes the ETA 7750 movement, which makes the subdial spacing on the rep automatically correct. And unlike the BTR, Discovery has a closed caseback. While open casebacks are nice, the factories can rarely decorate the movements accurately.


The gen comes with various dial/bezel variations, and the two "main models", black and white (Panda) have been copied by the factories.

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The Dial:

It's often bit of a struggle to decide between the different dial variations. Usually the white versions aren't that popular among the members, but Discovery seems to be an exception. The "Panda" dial is simply stunning and it was pretty much the only option for me. White dial watches can sometimes be a bit "understated", especially if they have silver hands. Good examples of this style are the stainless steel "2001 Daytona", and the older model of the white 1911 Chronograph (that I reviewed).

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The dark subdials and hand tips (besides the white '9 hand) create very nice contrast, and the dial is highly accurate. Print quality and double-AR are impressive as well. Ebels don't have much luminous areas on the dials at all, not gens or reps. Only the hands glow.



The flaws:

Reps have become so accurate that finding any flaws from them has become bit of a challenge. The factory photos show that the endlinks are more "flush" with the case on the gen, but this real-life gen picture shows that the endlinks are exactly similar. The only flaws are the pushers, which are more protruded on the rep, and the crown, which should screw in a bit deeper.

It's obvious that the factory really had the gen in their hands when they produced the rep. The A7750 datewheel rarely looks perfect on the reps, but that has never bothered me. Of course the hardcore accuracy freaks might want to swap it. Maybe I'm seeing things, but the wheels look better aligned than ever... or perhaps the white dial lessens the visual effect.


The bracelet and clasp:

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One of the main attractions of all Ebels (to me) is the "hidden clasp". It's very neat system and a nice innovation. The bracelet itself reminds me of the Omega Speedmaster. It's made of brushed stainless steel and has those typical small polished "stripes". Very good quality "rounded" bracelet, which countours with the wrist perfectly. But unlike some unique looking Ebel bracelets in the past, design wise this is nothing extraordinary. But then again, I guess a bit more conservative approach was exactly what Ebel needed. Capice said in his pictorial that the bracelet isn't very large and I was a bit worried about this. But fortunately it barely fit onto my '8 wrist comfortably (I like to wear my watches tight).



Why Ebel?

While Ebel is well respected among the watch people, it has very little brand recognition outside the WIS circles.

Don't we want our watches to "impress" general people too?

Well, I can assure you that Ebel Discovery chronograph is highly impressive watch. It has a strong double antireflective coating, an impressive (but not unbalanced) wrist precence, a quality bracelet and outstanding design. The white dial is captivating, and the watch looks both "modern" and "conservative" at the same time.

Dealers' pages advertise this as 44.5mm, but I have no idea why they're using this diameter (or how they have measured it), because it's definitely wrong, I measured the lug-to-lug diameter as 43mm (same as gen), and it even wears significantly smaller than that. It feels just like a 40-41mm watch, because the actual watch head and dial surface are small.

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Ebel, as a brand, was a bit "lost" for years. And while the 1911 Chronograph line has always been attractive, some of their past designs have been less than inspiring. The previous Discovery line is a good example of this. But it seems that Ebel has finally nailed it with their new design team, and they have seemingly polished their overall image and brand prestige with the recent releases. The inhouse movements through the whole BTR line is probably not the smallest factor.

Discovery might be too "plain" for people who seek "extreme looks", but it's definitely "singing" to me. The (now highly popular) Breitling Skyland was my "other" option, but since I already have the SFSO, I wanted to have some variation into my moderately sized rep collection. I also wanted a white dial watch, and white Breitlings simply don't do anything for me. So this white Discovery fills the gap perfectly.

In my opinion, the "Panda" Discovery chronograph is a stunner, and simply one of the most attractive watches I've seen. It has some characteristics of two of my favorite chronographs, white Daytona and Broad Arrow Speedmaster, but has more impressive wrist presence. But unlike many new "jumbo" watches, I'm sure this would look good on moderately sized wrists as well. This is amazingly "balanced" watch.

The term "Super Rep" is often used lightly, but if the Discovery Chrono doesn't fall into that category, then nothing will. It's probably the most accurate and stunningly finished replica watch I have seen, at least in the same category with the SFSO.

Like I said, this is my first new replica purchase in 10 months, and when I was wrapping off the plastic from this watch this morning, my first reactions were "You gotta be kidding me!" and "Where have you been hiding all my life?" The "Panda" Discovery is simply awesome. The accuracy was excepted, but I was still positively surprised how small and balanced it wears, and how lovely it looks on the wrist.

Thanks to Eurotimez for this beautiful Ebel. Great watch from a great dealer. Thanks to members for the interest and support! There is more to come!
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PS: HERE is a small "bonus" for the RWG viewers. It's the official Ebel (hi-res) promotional movie of the Discovery line.
Thanks to ***Pugwash*** for hosting it!


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IMPORTANT NOTE: I will not reply to watch/part/mod questions via PM from the anymore. I'd love to help everyone privately, but my PM box gets flooded/spammed these days with these enquiries and I simply don't have the time. This is a hobby for me, not a job. Please ask your questions in the public forum where you have thousands of potential helpers. It's nothing personal. Thanks for understanding. By-Tor.
 

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That is a really nice watch of a brand that doesn't seem to get a lot of attention. I had always thought of Ebel as more of a lady's brand. I guess since the Movado buyout, they are taking it in a new direction. thanks for the review By-tor. Much appreciated.
 

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Thanks man!

PS: HERE is a small "bonus". It's the official Ebel (hi-res) promotional movie of the Discovery line. Worth watching!
 

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Great, great, review, By-Tor. For what it's worth, I love seeing reviews of watches like these. A little off the beaten path in terms of the bread and butter for the rep forums. But as I've spent more time with reps, I find myself more and more interested by watches whose names don't rhyme with Bolex, Shomega, Banerai, and Lightling. Personally, I really like the 1911, but I haven't seriously considered picking up a rep because, unlike a lot of our more recent reps, the rep 1911 really can't hold a candle to the gen. I tried one on in the AD this past weekend, and, for me, the rep just kind of looks fake. Not sure what it is-- the band has a lot to do with it, but there's something just... off about the rep.

By-Tor, you have a gen 1911, don't you? All things being equal, which one do you like better? The standard 1911 with leather strap or the discovery?
 

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Wow!

Whilst that watch isn't to my taste, there is no doubt that it is a fantastic rep!

As always, by-tor, a fantastic review. People don't appreciate how tough it is to articulate all the thoughts/pros/cons/comparisons that a review needs. I've tried it before and I suck at it! :lol: :oops:

It's not an easy task and you do a really great job with all of them. Thanks for that.
 

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Thanks Sean.

Strange you say that about Discovery though... I thought this was one of the most accurate looking (and convincing reps) that I have ever seen. :shock: BTR replica has many flaws, but not this one. You should definitely see this in the flesh.

I used to have a gen 1911 sports classic. But that was a small watch and can't hold a candle to Discovery (or BTR).

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Wow!

Whilst that watch isn't to my taste, there is no doubt that it is a fantastic rep!

As always, by-tor, a fantastic review. People don't appreciate how tough it is to articulate all the thoughts/pros/cons/comparisons that a review needs. I've tried it before and I suck at it! :lol: :oops:

It's not an easy task and you do a really great job with all of them. Thanks for that.

Thanks man. :)
 

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Great review, but not sure of the watch just a wee bit afeminate for my tastes? although the gens are getting pushed big time by jewllers in the uk there everywhere.
 

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By-Tor said:
Thanks Sean.

Strange you say that about Discovery though... I thought this was one of the most accurate looking (and convincing reps) that I have ever seen. :shock: BTR replica has many flaws, but not this one. You should definitely see this in the flesh.

Sorry. Re-reading my post, I realize that I wasn't clear. The bad rep I was talking about was the BTR, not the Discovery. One question on the Discovery-- how is the match-up with the end links and the case? After reading your review on the BTR (and seeing other wrist shots of it), it looks like there's a pretty substantial gap there (one of my personal pet peeves). Are the end links flush with the case on the Discovery?
 

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Damn By-Tor, never thought there would be a day when an ebel rep would be on my wishlist... But this review is awesome. Is this a high or low beat A7750?
 

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@Sean: Yes, there's a small gap on the other side. Not visible to the naked eye though, but you can probably detect it from the zoomed pictures. I've seen some Discovery reps that have much bigger gaps though. Looks like a QC issue.

Here's a gen photo. As you can see they're not perfectly "flush" on it, either... not like on the factory photos anyway.

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And yes, the BTR rep not even from the same planet (accuracy wise). How could it be? Gen BTR has an expensive inhouse movement with tight spacing... the gen Discovery has 7750, just like the rep.

PS: Is there any way to shrink those gigantic avatars (from my personal settings)? Those screw up the forum layout completely. At least for us who still use 1024x768. When someone with a huge avatar makes a post, I have to scroll on the right all the time. Not a big deal, but reading the threads become quite tiresome sometimes... :D
 

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As usual By-Tor, GREAT review.
I have to say I have never considered Ebel, but that is a very good looking watch!
 

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PS: Is there any way to shrink those gigantic avatars, which completely screw up the forum layout? At least for us who still use 1024x768. When someone with a huge avatar makes a post, I have to scroll on the right all the time.

you talkin aboot me not that im paranoid or anything [smilie=hal.gif]
 

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By-Tor said:
@Sean: Yes, there's a small gap on the other side. Not visible to the naked eye though, but you can probably detect it from the zoomed pictures. I've seen some Discovery reps that have much bigger gaps though. Looks like a QC issue.

Here's a gen photo. As you can see they're not perfectly "flush" on it, either... not like on the factory photos anyway.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u214 ... /gen_1.jpg

And yes, the BTR rep not even from the same planet (accuracy wise). How could it be? Gen BTR has an expensive inhouse movement with tight spacing... the gen Discovery has 7750, just like the rep.

PS: Is there any way to shrink those gigantic avatars, which completely screw up the forum layout? At least for us who still use 1024x768. When someone with a huge avatar makes a post, I have to scroll on the right all the time. :D

True pity that the BTR rep is so dire. Gorgeous, gorgeous watch. Little pricey for what it is, though (between $3600 and $4000 the last time I checked). I love the leather strap look on Ebels, but I have to agree with you about the hidden clasp on the Discovery bracelet. Really cool looking bracelet. Nice contrast between the polished and brushed steel.

Now when are you going to get a Dewitt to spice up your collection?
 

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konigwolf said:
PS: Is there any way to shrink those gigantic avatars, which completely screw up the forum layout? At least for us who still use 1024x768. When someone with a huge avatar makes a post, I have to scroll on the right all the time.

you talkin aboot me not that im paranoid or anything [smilie=hal.gif]

:D

Not just you, many members here use HUGE avatars. Nothing personal man... the layout just gets completely screwed (at least with this skin that I'm using). ;)
 

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Not just you, many members here use HUGE avatars. Nothing personal man... the layout just gets completely screwed (at least with this skin that I'm using).

ther you go By-tor made me avatar a wee bit smaller hope that helps a bit :D
 

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Thanks man, appreciated. But this should be in the forum software, imho (wink wink admins). ;)
 

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You hear that, LoS? Get off your ass and do something useful, why don't you?
 

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seanf said:
Now when are you going to get a Dewitt to spice up your collection?

Man... there are so many stunning watches I should get. But I completely agree with you. There's a lot more than just Rolex, PAM, Breitling and Omega out there. 90% of the watch talk is revolving around these 4 brands... members should be a bit more adventurous sometimes.

I chose this one over the Skyland, because Skyland not that different (design wise) from the SFSO. While I'm more into the sports watches, I like to collect at least a bit different styles and brands. That's why reps are so cool... you can be a bit adventurous when your whole month's salary isn't on stake.
 

konigwolf

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I know trying to think of something different for my next purchase maybe the new br01's whiteface stainless steel, gettin a bit fed up with pvd.
 

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You hear that, LoS? Get off your ass and do something useful, why don't you?

Hey... dealing with personalities is me..... dealing with technical stuff is supermanx... dealing with personal insecurities and shortcomings is you...

Great review.... this is a watch that i would never have taken a look at... but when I saw a By-tor review, I felt compelled to read it... great job as always and now I may have to take a look at purchasing one.... the panda dial is a great look...