Questions on potential Noob PAM005 V4 - ***[QC pics allowed}***

[Reobel]

Just purchased a PAM005 v4 from toro, first purchase and onward to my first rep! Super excited! Learnt alot from ALE7575 with thorough reading, differences between v3 and v4 case etc. Thank you very much.

With reference from Kampachi's v4 analysis thread: https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/253346-Latest-PAM-V4-Caseset , the crystal height of the QC-ed pic is slightly higher compared to kampachi's v4 case. I understand angles could be a factor as well. Am I getting a transition v3-v4 case or am I wrong? If so, I do have to right to reject and ask toro to source for a v4 case? with the understanding that it will take time, which could mean I might not get the watch just before dec.

Here are the QC pics, would need your expert eyes to confirm. Ps: I can't seem to display a larger image to forum, please click on image for enlarged size.

 

[ALE7575]

In this watch the insertion of lug to the mid-case showed in your pic is not V4 type: Some lugs seem to have better insertion, therefore maybe a transition model from V3 to V4.
Crown is a clear "fat" V3 type and of course CG lever is like old Noob models (this is usual)
Regarding the crystal, it has to be raised and to be a bit narrower than old Noob crystals. In the watch the crystal seems OK
Bezel, caseback and CG are OK

Regarding the dial, I cannot see the sausage lume structure in order to say if it is old or new type

I would ask for a more modern case with the correct lug insertion, with "Slim" crown and new sausage dial. CG lever and crystal will be impossible to get better at this moment

ALE

 

[ferbiez]

Thanks NCchef for the reply
Interesting



To illustrate what NCchef is talking about you can consult SECTION 3 – CONSTRUCTION STRUCTURE ACCURACY of the review:

PAM Luminor 44mm CASE-SETS - Noob vs. KW vs. H maker - ALE-Klockis Review
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=150417

Extract from the review:

3- CONSTRUCTION STRUCTURE ACCURACY - Quality and accuracy of construction structure
In this Section we will analyze the construction structure of the case, how are assembled case, bezel and crown tube.

3.1- Case and bezel assembling- Case, bezel, gaskets assembling
Regarding assembling of bezel with the case, gen, Noob, and KW use a more complex an expensive system than H maker. As you can see in FIGURES 3.1.A & 3.1.B. Pics of KW case-set structure are kindly taken and give up by omgiv.

FIGURE 3.1.A- CASE STRUCTURE COMPARISON GEN-NOOB-H MAKER

FIGURE 3.1.B- CASE STRUCTURE OF KW REPLICAS (LIKE GEN and NOOB)

Gen, Noob and KW uses a conical ring turned above the case to put the gasket and then to insert by pressure the bezel over the case.
H maker has a cheaper system with flat case at the top and a complete different bezel section and gaskets to be inserted inside the case.
These systems of assembling were perfectly described by Angus in his thread:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/ultimate-pam111m-teardown-86121
Some pics of this Section are taken from that thread with Angu’s kind permission.

Bezel structure is conditioned by the case structure, therefore bezels from gen, Noob and KW are the same but completely different to H maker bezel, as we can see in FIGURE 3.1.C

FIGURE 3.1.C- BEZEL STRUCTURE COMPARISON GEN-NOOB-KW-H MAKER

In below FIGURE 3.1.D is showed the structure of KW bezel exactly the same as gen and Noob.

FIFURE 3.1.D- KW BEZEL STRUCTURE- THE SAME AS GEN AND NOOB

Therefore, case and bezel construction structure are the same in gen, Noob and KW, whereas H maker is completely different and inaccurate.

Klockis remarks: This shows once again the care that Noob and now KW put into their manufacture and the shortcuts that H-fac make. Total different approaches.
Evaluation: Noob=8 / KW=8 / Hmaker=6
ALE remarks: Since the construction structure is not visible with the watch assembled, we can consider that the structure complete inaccuracy of H maker is not very serious to be completely discredited
Noob=9 / KW=9 / Hmaker=6


Hope all is clear now

ALE

Good day all,

I spend months in studying the Rep world before I decided to sell my Gen Pam005, bought some nice Rep, and I have never regret with that.

But before I reached that point, information like ALE and most of you guys have been giving in these forum help me made decision in the right way.

Nothing related to this thread but I just need to thank to all of you for your dedicated time and effort which are much essential to most newbies, like myself.

Thank you


PS. Btw, and I can confirm that I don't feel different when wearing Rep vs. Gen (of course unless you take it off and check the movement).

 

[ALE7575]

Good day all,

I spend months in studying the Rep world before I decided to sell my Gen Pam005, bought some nice Rep, and I have never regret with that.

But before I reached that point, information like ALE and most of you guys have been giving in these forum help me made decision in the right way.

Nothing related to this thread but I just need to thank to all of you for your dedicated time and effort which are much essential to most newbies, like myself.

Thank you


PS. Btw, and I can confirm that I don't feel different when wearing Rep vs. Gen (of course unless you take it off and check the movement).

Thanks for your kind words and comments

I agree that is very hard to spend 7.000$ for a gen almost perfectly repped like PAM 005 or some similar models for less 300$

But it is necessary to add that the gen will keep the value on time and is a piece made almost with love and almost perfect.
Rep is not made like that, the quality is not assured and the value decreases a lot on time

For more complicated models the differences between gen and rep is higher.

ALE

 

[TeamNotorious]

i am considering getting the PAM 005 v4 from Toro very soon and would love to see what people think who have one on hand or have QC pics, been reading through all this info and I want to make sure I'm absorbing everything properly!

 

[jdr55]

Just ordered mine today so will post QC as soon as I get them!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[jdr55]

Here they are! Toro super fast!! Let me know what you think... Is the 11 marker off or is it my eyes?

 

[kumize]

Just received my QC photo of PAM005 v4 noob..

Thanks [MENTION=65412]Bozz[/MENTION] for the unselfish guidance, appreciate very much ^^

Thanks [MENTION=35350]ALE7575[/MENTION] for the encyclopedia pam rep posting ^^

And lots of great supporter here

#thishobbyjuststarted

 

[Fat And Furious]

I ordered a new 005 Noob V4 along with the latest 111 from Noob. If i have it in hands, i will post up some pics for comparing cases and dial layout between new 005 Noob vs. 005 H. (I already own a new 005 H and i am highly impressed by it).

@ALE: If it helps getting more correct infos, i can and will post up some QC pics if allowed when i get them?!

from what I see the 3 and 12 font are different comparing my 111 v3 to pics in this thread. They do imho have improved the lever angle seemingly on the 111

 

[infakeitrust]

Hi guys I am new to Panerai watches. can you look at this QC pics and give me some advice? is everything ok?





thanks

 

[ALE7575]

Case and bezel V4
Crystal V4
CG lever V3
Crown V3
Dial it is not possible to tell it. Most likely last version

ALE

 

[prsftw]

This is a great thread! Thanks [MENTION=35350]ALE7575[/MENTION] and everyone. I am getting a Noob 005 soon and will post pictures soon, thanks in advance for helping me with the QC!

 

[prsftw]

Here's my QC pics, [MENTION=35350]ALE7575[/MENTION] what do you think?

Thanks!!

 

[kilowattore]

Hard to see the case shape in these pics. CG is v3 for sure.

 

[ALE7575]

Hard to see the case shape in these pics. CG is v3 for sure.

+1

ALE

 

[prsftw]

Many thanks [MENTION=64001]kilowattore[/MENTION] and [MENTION=35350]ALE7575[/MENTION] for your responses.
What do you guys think about it on the whole? Accept or not? Thanks!

 

[kilowattore]

Many thanks [MENTION=64001]kilowattore[/MENTION] and [MENTION=35350]ALE7575[/MENTION] for your responses.
What do you guys think about it on the whole? Accept or not? Thanks!

Getting a v4 is almost impossibile, besides the differences with v3 are invisibile on the wrist.
Take it and wear it to death, you'll love it

 

[prsftw]

Haha, thanks [MENTION=64001]kilowattore[/MENTION]!

 

[adxc]

Hi everyone, I just got QC pics from Toro for PAM 005 listed as Noob V4! The crown looks like V3 to me, but can @ALE7575 and you other knowledgeable guys tell whether other parts are V3/V4, and if there are any serious flaws I'm overlooking? Many thanks!

 

[PolonusTM]

I don't see anything better... At first glance - the 6 marker is still of a bit wrong/unique shape taken from 000.