Questions on potential Noob PAM005 V4 - ***[QC pics allowed}***

[ALE7575]

Using up old stock. These makers don't give a shit about the details

also H maker case is not made like gen and the bezel is two pieces. The noob case uses a solid bore mid case and bezel that presses on a lip made out of the case. The H case has in inner ring with gasket that presses into a milled out mid case then the bezel presses onto the midring. But the H case has better overall finish. Though the H bezel shape is too slanted.

Looks like this v4 isn't anything different. The Cg lever shape is still wrong. H factory has it right.

Thanks NCchef for the comments
Are you sure that "new" 2015 H maker cases are with the same structure as "old" ones, without "lip" to press the bezel??

ALE

 

[NCchef]

I'm positive Ale. I've already disassembled 3 of them. They are made just like the old cases. My thought it's the same case maker just better machining tools

 

[ALE7575]

I'm positive Ale. I've already disassembled 3 of them. They are made just like the old cases. My thought it's the same case maker just better machining tools

Thanks NCchef for the reply
Interesting



To illustrate what NCchef is talking about you can consult SECTION 3 – CONSTRUCTION STRUCTURE ACCURACY of the review:

PAM Luminor 44mm CASE-SETS - Noob vs. KW vs. H maker - ALE-Klockis Review
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=150417

Extract from the review:

3- CONSTRUCTION STRUCTURE ACCURACY - Quality and accuracy of construction structure
In this Section we will analyze the construction structure of the case, how are assembled case, bezel and crown tube.

3.1- Case and bezel assembling- Case, bezel, gaskets assembling
Regarding assembling of bezel with the case, gen, Noob, and KW use a more complex an expensive system than H maker. As you can see in FIGURES 3.1.A & 3.1.B. Pics of KW case-set structure are kindly taken and give up by omgiv.

FIGURE 3.1.A- CASE STRUCTURE COMPARISON GEN-NOOB-H MAKER

FIGURE 3.1.B- CASE STRUCTURE OF KW REPLICAS (LIKE GEN and NOOB)

Gen, Noob and KW uses a conical ring turned above the case to put the gasket and then to insert by pressure the bezel over the case.
H maker has a cheaper system with flat case at the top and a complete different bezel section and gaskets to be inserted inside the case.
These systems of assembling were perfectly described by Angus in his thread:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/ultimate-pam111m-teardown-86121
Some pics of this Section are taken from that thread with Angu’s kind permission.

Bezel structure is conditioned by the case structure, therefore bezels from gen, Noob and KW are the same but completely different to H maker bezel, as we can see in FIGURE 3.1.C

FIGURE 3.1.C- BEZEL STRUCTURE COMPARISON GEN-NOOB-KW-H MAKER

In below FIGURE 3.1.D is showed the structure of KW bezel exactly the same as gen and Noob.

FIFURE 3.1.D- KW BEZEL STRUCTURE- THE SAME AS GEN AND NOOB

Therefore, case and bezel construction structure are the same in gen, Noob and KW, whereas H maker is completely different and inaccurate.

Klockis remarks: This shows once again the care that Noob and now KW put into their manufacture and the shortcuts that H-fac make. Total different approaches.
Evaluation: Noob=8 / KW=8 / Hmaker=6
ALE remarks: Since the construction structure is not visible with the watch assembled, we can consider that the structure complete inaccuracy of H maker is not very serious to be completely discredited
Noob=9 / KW=9 / Hmaker=6


Hope all is clear now

ALE

 

[hublotkingpower]

Thanks for all the extra input and help again guys greatly appreciated


Sent from my KW iPhone V3

 

[donnydread]

Bumping this thread a bit.

Is it worth buying the PAM 005 v4 from Noob now?

Or should I go with PAM 111 v3 from Noob?

Read this thread but im still uncertain. I dont really care if it's open or closed caseback.

 

[PAMaholic]

I ordered a new 005 Noob V4 along with the latest 111 from Noob. If i have it in hands, i will post up some pics for comparing cases and dial layout between new 005 Noob vs. 005 H. (I already own a new 005 H and i am highly impressed by it).

@ALE: If it helps getting more correct infos, i can and will post up some QC pics if allowed when i get them?!

 

[donnydread]

Thank you a lot! Can't wait to see the pictures. Not sure now which one to go for... Whya re you "highly impressed" by the new 005 H? What has changed?

 

[PAMaholic]

The complete dial has already recessed lume indices nearly on par with the Gen. And the same dial structure and color. Awsome looking.

 

[PAMaholic]

 

[donnydread]

That looks awesome. Can't wait to order this beauty.

 

[rhaug]

Nice pic, looks good! Would be really interested in seeing a comparison as well. While I'm mostly looking for a 390, it's really interesting to follow along the development in case and dial quality.

 

[PAMaholic]

Will only post up QC pics when allowed through ALE.

 

[ALE7575]

I ordered a new 005 Noob V4 along with the latest 111 from Noob. If i have it in hands, i will post up some pics for comparing cases and dial layout between new 005 Noob vs. 005 H. (I already own a new 005 H and i am highly impressed by it).

@ALE: If it helps getting more correct infos, i can and will post up some QC pics if allowed when i get them?!

This info is important enough to allow QC pics
But I think you should start a separate thread

ALE

Be careful with Mentions, my full username is ALE7575 with just ALE mention will not work

 

[ALE7575]

Will only post up QC pics when allowed through ALE.

Allowed !!!

Thanks

 

[PAMaholic]

Be careful with Mentions, my full username is ALE7575 with just ALE mention will not work

Will do so in the future, haven't had known this!

 

[PAMaholic]

This info is important enough to allow QC pics
But I think you should start a separate thread

ALE

Will start a new comparison thread when i get my qc pics. Thx, ALE7575

 

[ALE7575]

ALE

Will start a new comparison thread when i get my qc pics. Thx, ALE7575

That will be fantastic !
Thanks
ALE

 

[PAMaholic]

That will be fantastic !
Thanks
ALE

New thread started!

 

[donnydread]

Allowed !!!

Thanks

Just got QC pictures from Toro on v4 Noob PAM 005, am I allowed to post QC pictures here for review?

 

[ALE7575]

Just got QC pictures from Toro on v4 Noob PAM 005, am I allowed to post QC pictures here for review?

DUE TO THE GREAT INTEREST OF THIS REP

WE WILL ACCEPT QC PICS OF PAM 005 (new versions) IN THIS THREAD

Please avoid silly matters, flaws or questions

ALE