QC Pics need some better eyes than mine.

[Drulee]

are you aware that many gen 177's have
the crown sitting pretty much perfectly flush with the case?

Never, ever, seen a gen with a flush crown. It is one of the easiest ways to spot a PAM rep for me. Getting a gen PAM with a crown that is flush to the case, would be equal to getting one whose CG lever didn't actually touch the crown when closed. It is an integral part of the water sealing design of the crown/CG system. If the crown was flush to the case, chances are that closing the CG lever onto it would not make a proper seal, as it may not be pushed hard enough against the seals, and would affect the its water resistance, a big deal for diving watches.

This is one of the biggest complaints about DSN PAM reps.

Ruby was sending pics prior to shipping over 3 years ago...imo the OP was asking for advice in posting the pics, many have done this before...I don't see a problem...aces, don't let him wind you up mate...

+1

I'd say QC pics are becoming more common from every dealer now, because those that didn't send them started noticing the lost business to those who did.

I don't see any problem in asking for advice with your Q.C. pics, if the dealer feels you are wasting their time they can always tell you so, and I'm sure they would not hesitate to do so

And the fact that Lay has gone the extra mile to make you happy goes a long way in adding to his already great reputation.

 

[JC7]

And the fact that Lay has gone the extra mile to make you happy goes a long way in adding to his already great reputation.

Don't the watches are from Lay bud.

 

[QinetiQ]

Ruby was sending pics prior to shipping over 3 years ago...imo the OP was asking for advice in posting the pics, many have done this before...I don't see a problem...aces, don't let him wind you up mate...

Amen brother!!

I don't know why this thread escalated the way it did. The dude posted some QC so we can help him out. That's what this forum is all about right? Reps and helping people get what they pay for.

 

[Drulee]

Don't the watches are from Lay bud.

Woops, my mistake.

I meant goes a long way to add to Tony's already great rep ...

 

[MMs]

So it's not an issue?


So it is an issue?

:unsure2:

not an issue.
others, like Drulee below, have pointed out that this never, ever happens
in gens, that the crown never sits that close and therefore it's a tell. that
comment makes this an "issue" for some. but to "fix" this issue on the
rep, it often times is going to compromise the water tightness of the
watch, and you'll end up possibly with more problems than anything if
you try to just move the crown out yourself by say just unscrewing it
from the stem a bit and maybe tossing in another gasket.

Never, ever, seen a gen with a flush crown. It is one of the easiest ways to spot a PAM rep for me. Getting a gen PAM with a crown that is flush to the case, would be equal to getting one whose CG lever didn't actually touch the crown when closed. It is an integral part of the water sealing design of the crown/CG system. If the crown was flush to the case, chances are that closing the CG lever onto it would not make a proper seal, as it may not be pushed hard enough against the seals, and would affect the its water resistance, a big deal for diving watches.

This is one of the biggest complaints about DSN PAM reps.

flush maybe not, but really close does happen.

 

[ugoderosa]

Good point Trailboss. Keep RWI a friendly place. I am learning everyday myself. Members should not feel intimidated to ask questions.

I think MM's point was a caution not to abuse the QC process, and I agree with him on that point as I have concerns that our dealers may start to scale back that service if too many people ask for watch substitutions. But, Drulee makes a good point- the dealer will let you know when you are pushing the limits of his or her patience, so perhaps my concern about people abusing the QC process is not something to worry about.

I do think anyone should be allowed to post QC pics and ask for comments. That is how we learn from those who have greater knowledge, such as Drulee when it comes to pams. I have learned quite a bit from reading his posts, and others such as Coldi.

On a somewhat unrelated point regarding MM's comment about repping the Panerai in-house movements, I guess I would disagree with MM on that point. I don't think anyone expects the rep factories to be able to re-create a passable replication of that movement, so I don't see people becoming disgruntled en masse about that issue, but I would be interested to hear what others think.

 

[Fiddo]

Good point Trailboss. Keep RWI a friendly place. I am learning everyday myself. Members should not feel intimidated to ask questions..

I very much agree!

I think MM's point was a caution not to abuse the QC process, and I agree with him on that point as I have concerns that our dealers may start to scale back that service if too many people ask for watch substitutions. But, Drulee makes a good point- the dealer will let you know when you are pushing the limits of his or her patience, so perhaps my concern about people abusing the QC process is not something to worry about..

The QC process helps the dealer as well. If the correct watch is sent the frist time, they don't have to deal with anything after that.....like threads stating that the wrong watch was sent, return postage etc..

I do think anyone should be allowed to post QC pics and ask for comments. That is how we learn from those who have greater knowledge, such as Drulee when it comes to pams. I have learned quite a bit from reading his posts, and others such as Coldi..

Post away! It helps us all!

On a somewhat unrelated point regarding MM's comment about repping the Panerai in-house movements, I guess I would disagree with MM on that point. I don't think anyone expects the rep factories to be able to re-create a passable replication of that movement, so I don't see people becoming disgruntled en masse about that issue, but I would be interested to hear what others think.

If they could rep a passable copy of the in house movement, I would think the price of the rep watch would reflect that to the point it would be kind of pricey.

 

[Drulee]

but to "fix" this issue on the
rep, it often times is going to compromise the water tightness of the
watch, and you'll end up possibly with more problems than anything if
you try to just move the crown out yourself by say just unscrewing it
from the stem a bit and maybe tossing in another gasket.

Actually, you just pointed something out that I forgot about. When the crown is flush against the case, it is also a sign that the factory probably forgot to install a crown gasket - another reason to reject the watch.

As for moving the crown out yourself, I would not recommend that to anyone who has not already done some of their own work on watches - it's just too easy to create additional problems (like an f'd up keyless).

flush maybe not, but really close does happen.

Even on that pic you can see that there is a good gap, the angle and poor quality of the pic makes it look closer, that's all. Big difference between flush and small gap.

 

[zeroshiki]

and about the crown spacing, seeing how that's what's being nit-picked here... have
you even seen the gen watch to compare it? are you aware that many gen 177's have
the crown sitting pretty much perfectly flush with the case? on some there is a
fraction of a mm of spacing, but on some there is not.

i can confirm this is true... even on the gens, which the crowns are pretty much
flush sitting to the case.., still, some there are fraction of mm of spacing.., i've seen them..

 

[shandroid]

has aces given up on being the customer from hell and pulled the trigger yet?

Aces, do it buddy - you'll be happy...