Oh, stop rep-whoring, would ya!
OK Tony was nice enough to send me more choice.
I think this last one looks the best please chime in. Also yes I am going to buy a membership.
Oh, stop rep-whoring, would ya!
Oh God just read the post about I can afford a Gen.
Why is it that every person who can't find exactly what they want can always afford a gen?
Moreover they are usually price buyers rather than serious buyers who are prepared to pay for a modded item.
Maybe I am old fashioned but if I wanted a 100% perfect item and only that would do plus I had the means to buy a gen I wouldn't be messing about with a $200 rep and spending so much time trying to find the holy grail on a budget. I would buy the gen or make do with what is perfectly acceptable and available or have one modded if as it seems price is not the deciding factor
Oh God just read the post about I can afford a Gen.
Why is it that every person who can't find exactly what they want can always afford a gen?
Moreover they are usually price buyers rather than serious buyers who are prepared to pay for a modded item.
Maybe I am old fashioned but if I wanted a 100% perfect item and only that would do plus I had the means to buy a gen I wouldn't be messing about with a $200 rep and spending so much time trying to find the holy grail on a budget. I would buy the gen or make do with what is perfectly acceptable and available or have one modded if as it seems price is not the deciding factor
Because of this, methinks....
or this, lol
aces: I would choose the 2nd one personally, as it seems to have the best comobo of CG fitment to the case/crown spacing. Again, though, in real life, none of this stuff is really visible or noticeable. These macro shots exaggerate these issues.
As has been pointed out, there is a high degree of inconsistency in this business.... same factory, different days, different results.
This is a great watch. I love mine.
As a side note, the other option is to order one from Sead. He charges an additional $100, and for this, you get a corrected crown spacing (Sead mods it himself), and, more importantly, you get a different, more cosmetically accurate (corrected dagger shape, etc.), and somewhat better quality movement (Sead gets his watch from the same factory, but then swaps out the 6497 movement for a bit higher quality version).
I am happy with the stock version myself, as even Sead's version has "tells"- no AD or hardcore 'risti will be fooled by any rep movement. But to some, it is worth it. If this same watch was sold by Little Hero 6 months ago, the hard core 'risti would be happily shelling out $1K without a single complaint.
I hate it when noobs do this.
time to put in my two cents, which has already been covered pretty much:
QC photos are NOT to be posted on forums for others to tell you what they think!
YOU need to put in the time and effort to find out if YOU like the watch pictured or
not, end of story. if you don't know what you're looking at, that's your problem.
there are reviews for pretty much every single popular rep, and reading them and
all the threads about that particular rep will give you the firm understanding you
need about it. you will there learn the flaws and shortcomings of that rep and so
on, and and you will there decide to order one or not.
then you order, you get your qc pics, if it looks good to YOU, you buy it. this is not
a place for us to pick apart watches for you. that happens in review threads. and
chances are no matter what the rep sent to you will have some issues.
what's going to happen here? are you going to reject the one that was picked for
you? because you think there's a problem with the crown (which there isn't)? and
then maybe you'll get a different one sent to you with no anglage on the bridges,
and maybe that'll bother the shit out of you. then what?
do your research, stop asking everyone to do it for you. trust me, if you keep up
your current pattern, dealers are going to blacklist you. nobody wants to deal with
an uneducated noob the nit picks on stuff they know nothing about and bugs dealers
over what was said on a forum over their qc pics. no offense, but most the people
you'll find commenting on this thread are not pam experts and you can't trust what
people here have to say about the watch. trust only yourself and your own gained
knowledge. and put in the time to acquire it.
well I suppose it's a grey area.
several dealers will tell you to not post their qc pics on forums. like Josh for instance
that puts that statement in huge bold letters in the email he sends that contains the
pictures.
in this example, all of the 177l's will have the same color dial, the same color text
and all of that stuff. the point is that it is your responsibility to see a "defect from
the factory" on your own and raise an issue with it if there is one.
case in point is this thread. not one single watch pictured here has any problem
whatsoever with the crown. but you're probably going to reject your watch in favor
of another that seems as though the crown sits out an extra 1/4 of a mm.
and then you're going to have to ask the dealer for an entire new round of qc pics
for that said watch. because now that the non-existent crown issue is to the liking
of the forum per se, now you have to have the rest of the watch examined. and
what if that second watch has a beat error a bit out of the range of the comfort
zone of one of the people that posts here? what if 12 secs a day is unacceptable
to them? then you'd probably reject that watch, and so on.
and all the while, the first watch picked for you is as perfect as it will ever get. soon
the dealer will realize that you're more trouble than you are worth, and they'll get
sick of you posting the qc pics for people to make their own comments on. then
going back to them and rejecting perfectly fine watches.
and about the crown spacing, seeing how that's what's being nit-picked here... have
you even seen the gen watch to compare it? are you aware that many gen 177's have
the crown sitting pretty much perfectly flush with the case? on some there is a
fraction of a mm of spacing, but on some there is not. so what are you really trying
to accomplish here? do you know that moving the crown out can negatively impact
the ability of the watch to be water resistant?
moral of the story, educate yourself, make your own educated decisions and calls.
don't put the dealer at the mercy of a forum because you don't know what you're
buying. and chances are that most here aren't going to do anything but make your
ignorant position worse. that's what I'm trying to get at I suppose.
we're lucky to even have this new qc thing with pictures and videos and all of that
jazz, 2 years ago that was unheard of as well. if it becomes a common practice to
abuse this process, we may lose it. we can only expect the dealers to incur so much
frustration before they decide it's not worth their time.
Ruby was sending pics prior to shipping over 3 years ago...imo the OP was asking for advice in posting the pics, many have done this before...I don't see a problem...aces, don't let him wind you up mate...oh I agree. and being picky is not a bad thing per se. it's just that this qc thing and
the ordering process in general should really be between the buyer and the dealer.
not between the dealer and the entire forum.
we're lucky to even have this new qc thing with pictures and videos and all of that
jazz, 2 years ago that was unheard of as well. if it becomes a common practice to
abuse this process, we may lose it. we can only expect the dealers to incur so much
frustration before they decide it's not worth their time.
I hate it when noobs do this.
time to put in my two cents, which has already been covered pretty much:
QC photos are NOT to be posted on forums for others to tell you what they think!
YOU need to put in the time and effort to find out if YOU like the watch pictured or
not, end of story. if you don't know what you're looking at, that's your problem.
there are reviews for pretty much every single popular rep, and reading them and
all the threads about that particular rep will give you the firm understanding you
need about it. you will there learn the flaws and shortcomings of that rep and so
on, and and you will there decide to order one or not.
then you order, you get your qc pics, if it looks good to YOU, you buy it. this is not
a place for us to pick apart watches for you. that happens in review threads. and
chances are no matter what the rep sent to you will have some issues.
what's going to happen here? are you going to reject the one that was picked for
you? because you think there's a problem with the crown (which there isn't)? and
then maybe you'll get a different one sent to you with no anglage on the bridges,
and maybe that'll bother the shit out of you. then what?
do your research, stop asking everyone to do it for you. trust me, if you keep up
your current pattern, dealers are going to blacklist you. nobody wants to deal with
an uneducated noob the nit picks on stuff they know nothing about and bugs dealers
over what was said on a forum over their qc pics. no offense, but most the people
you'll find commenting on this thread are not pam experts and you can't trust what
people here have to say about the watch. trust only yourself and your own gained
knowledge. and put in the time to acquire it.
And how does he learn without asking?if you don't know what you're looking at, that's your problem.
+1. This is my fear as well.
Similarly, I am concerned that when a factory puts out a great bang for the buck rep such as this, and all the feedback consists of 99% b*tching and moaning over relatively minor details (when compared to the low price- if paying $700+, then some of the more minor flaws become unacceptable), with no props for the good parts, the factories and dealers will say screw this. Nothing will ever satisfy these buyers, and the ones who are complaining don't buy anyway, so perhaps we shouldn't care about improving rep quality. I know this is the view of at least one of the major dealers.
In other words, put yourself in the factories/dealer's shoes. You make great effort to correct some flaws, and make a business decision to hit a certain price point. Hitting that certain price point necessitates compromises- in this case using a movement that is not particularly well done. Then you release it. However, your pride and joy is met with waves of gripes about dagger shape, crown position and beveling. I know I wouldn't like it. The problem is not with commenting on flaws, it is the lack of perspective and the lack of appreciation for the good aspects that is the issue.
FFS MMs, why are we here? It's to offer advice! Who says QC pics are not to be posted on the forums? If someone feels they are not sure about what they are buying why not? Josh doesn't allow it and that is yet another reason he's not here, he doesn't run this forum and neither do you my friend, please do not tell people what they may or not do here, that is not for you to decide.
Noob bashing is not a sport, at least not one permitted here. We are a friendly forum and some of you guys are in need of a dose of friendly pills.
If there is a problem here it began with some of the advice being offered without a qualification to say that any better was not going to happen, not the fact the pics were posted and advice sought.
Having said that, the OP needs to realise that you can not buy perfection for 200 bucks and that as stated above some of the comments here are down right uninformed. Listen to what T4D has told you, he speaks the truth.
And how does he learn without asking?
You make some good points but jeeze mate, go easy on the guy!
Col.
So it's not an issue?not one single watch pictured here has any problem
whatsoever with the crown. but you're probably going to reject your watch in favor
of another that seems as though the crown sits out an extra 1/4 of a mm.
...
the non-existent crown issue is to the liking of the forum per se
...
the first watch picked for you is as perfect as it will ever get.
...
and about the crown spacing, seeing how that's what's being nit-picked here... have
you even seen the gen watch to compare it? are you aware that many gen 177's have the crown sitting pretty much perfectly flush with the case? on some there is a
fraction of a mm of spacing, but on some there is not.
So it is an issue?... poor movement, is that crown sitting a touch close? but really that's the only
issues we can see.