PPF 5711/1R-001

[kevBquick]

Not sure if you agree with my remarks or the opposite :lol:

But no a replica is "trying" to achieve an exact copy, but it's not even close to trying to copy each and every little details, it's the key features that they are after, there's a cost/detail ratio in there.

There's a difference between something that look almost as good as the gen even on close inspection and something that have the same weight.

People after an exact copy need to buy the gen, the rep game is not to pass something for gen, that's the main issue here, as long as people will see the hobby that way, they'll never be satisfied and will always ask more, the Rolex rep game is at such a point that people are more picky with rep than gens !

no that is an error in replication. maybe you should just search the word replica....doesn't matter what these factories do. its called a replica regardless of their ability or failure to replicate the watch in our case to be 1:1.

because when you buy gen...you buy a gen....doesn't matter if it has faults or not. defaults by the factory are warrantied and its still gen. A replica that is perfect is still a replica. it will never be gen and because its replicating something...they must be aware of all the minor detail gen owners don't care. gen owners barely know the word rehaut. its just a watch term. but they don't care. they don't scrutinize the rehaut...dimensions; engravings, etc...why cuz its gen and does not matter. while we for example scrutinize the pepsi insert on a rolex...people weren't aware there is an MK1,2 and 3. and all 3 have different colors.

who cares about weight...we all know gold weighs more than steel. most people do. this is just a hobby. i still don't walk around saying hey just so you know...its a rep. nobody does that. everyone has played it off as real to one person or another. i don't know anyone that hands their watch over for someone to eyeball and hold. gen or not.

 

[Glaude]

no that is an error in replication. maybe you should just search the word replica....doesn't matter what these factories do. its called a replica regardless of their ability or failure to replicate the watch in our case to be 1:1.

because when you buy gen...you buy a gen....doesn't matter if it has faults or not. defaults by the factory are warrantied and its still gen. A replica that is perfect is still a replica. it will never be gen and because its replicating something...they must be aware of all the minor detail gen owners don't care. gen owners barely know the word rehaut. its just a watch term. but they don't care. they don't scrutinize the rehaut...dimensions; engravings, etc...why cuz its gen and does not matter. while we for example scrutinize the pepsi insert on a rolex...people weren't aware there is an MK1,2 and 3. and all 3 have different colors.

who cares about weight...we all know gold weighs more than steel. most people do. this is just a hobby. i still don't walk around saying hey just so you know...its a rep. nobody does that. everyone has played it off as real to one person or another. i don't know anyone that hands their watch over for someone to eyeball and hold. gen or not.

I'm still trying to figure out if you agree with me or not :lol:

Looks like you are on the same page as me in regards to the nitpicking about weights and other details, but I can't get my head around your first sentence.

A replica is supposed to replicate the gen item, but it never happen because it's not cost effective to try to achieve an exact replica, there's too much back & forth process with the supplier in the replica world to achieve this.

So either you stick to the literal definition of a replica (thanks I know what replica means ...), which is pointless or you use the word for what it actually is : an attempt at producing a watch very similar to the gen item.

 

[kevBquick]

I'm still trying to figure out if you agree with me or not :lol:

Looks like you are on the same page as me in regards to the nitpicking about weights and other details, but I can't get my head around your first sentence.

A replica is supposed to replicate the gen item, but it never happen because it's not cost effective to try to achieve an exact replica, there's too much back & forth process with the supplier in the replica world to achieve this.

So either you stick to the literal definition of a replica (thanks I know what replica means ...), which is pointless or you use the word for what it actually is : an attempt at producing a watch very similar to the gen item.

lets just move on. all these factories fail at a 1:1 replica. which is a replica. its just more over on passing a rep as gen comment...when everyone is guilty of it. debating the word replica isn't a debate...thats defined. what happens in this scene, well we are all aware....however with all that being said/understood. I think we can move on here. 99% of the people pass their replicas off as gen.

sorry i can't change the definition of replica. don't care how its attempted to be pulled off here or anywhere. doesn't matter. otherwise people would buy gen. but i will admit i can't buy all the gens i have of replicas. and at some of these level of replication....i'm not sure i can justify the gen then. for what to tell people i paid 12k for a daytona or 45k for a patek or 20k for an aquanaut. when its this close...or if you can do a franken that actually enhances it. not a crown. or some random gen piece...but dials and crystals...or a gen strap/bracelet. those are worth it for a fraction of the cost. its a watch...its a hobby gen or rep.

 

[Glaude]

 

[XLR8R]

Well said

 

[Tobel]

lets just move on. all these factories fail at a 1:1 replica. which is a replica. its just more over on passing a rep as gen comment...when everyone is guilty of it. debating the word replica isn't a debate...thats defined. what happens in this scene, well we are all aware....however with all that being said/understood. I think we can move on here. 99% of the people pass their replicas off as gen.

sorry i can't change the definition of replica. don't care how its attempted to be pulled off here or anywhere. doesn't matter. otherwise people would buy gen. but i will admit i can't buy all the gens i have of replicas. and at some of these level of replication....i'm not sure i can justify the gen then. for what to tell people i paid 12k for a daytona or 45k for a patek or 20k for an aquanaut. when its this close...or if you can do a franken that actually enhances it. not a crown. or some random gen piece...but dials and crystals...or a gen strap/bracelet. those are worth it for a fraction of the cost. its a watch...its a hobby gen or rep.

Let's look at the definition then:

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/amp/english/replica

A replica of something such as a statue, building, or weapon is an accurate copy of it.
...a human-sized replica of the Statue of Liberty. [+ of]
Royce Hall was an exact replica of the basilica of Sant Ambrogio in Milan.
It was a replica gun, for display only.

Doesn't say anything about being 1:1. It even says that you can have one that looks like the original but with a different size ("human sized replica"). If it was 1:1 then there would not be a need to specify "exact" in front of replica. So before lecturing people on vocabulary, maybe you should do your homework

 

[kevBquick]

Let's look at the definition then:

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/amp/english/replica

A replica of something such as a statue, building, or weapon is an accurate copy of it.
...a human-sized replica of the Statue of Liberty. [+ of]
Royce Hall was an exact replica of the basilica of Sant Ambrogio in Milan.
It was a replica gun, for display only.

Doesn't say anything about being 1:1. It even says that you can have one that looks like the original but with a different size ("human sized replica"). If it was 1:1 then there would not be a need to specify "exact" in front of replica. So before lecturing people on vocabulary, maybe you should do your homework

dunno collins dictionary and your definition is trash but thanks for hoping into the mix. did you even look at websters like the rest of the world or did you just purposely pick some random thing? its even default in google or did you use duck duck go because your special? exact would mean 1:1 wouldn't it.
[h=2]Definition of replica[/h]


1: an exact reproduction (as of a painting) executed by the original artista replica of this was painted … this year— Constance Strachey
2: a copy exact in all detailsDNA makes a replica of itselfsailed a replica of the Viking shipbroadly : COPYthis faithful, pathetic replica of a Midwestern suburb

1:1 would be consider exact. thanks for understanding the english language and being able to comprehend. don't think that is a standard definition of using the word replica.
we don't need to specify anything....that is something the factory side of description to make you feel better.

 

[kevBquick]

original point was that 99% pass their replica/fake off as gen. thats reality. can we move on with the thread now? despite dial color the 5711R is a nice watch.

 

[Tobel]

original point was that 99% pass their replica/fake off as gen. thats reality. can we move on with the thread now? despite dial color the 5711R is a nice watch.

Stop behaving like a frikkin' know-it-all, it will make things move on faster. No, 99% of people don't pass their reps as gen, at least not on this forum. That's a reality. You can do whatever you want with yours

 

[Glaude]

dunno collins dictionary and your definition is trash but thanks for hoping into the mix. did you even look at websters like the rest of the world or did you just purposely pick some random thing? its even default in google or did you use duck duck go because your special? exact would mean 1:1 wouldn't it.
Definition of replica

Calm down right now, last and final warning, nobody was rude to you.

You are incoherent, what you say barely make sense, and now you think you can contradict a renown dictionary, just because it doesn't please you.

You started all this non sense, if you want to move one, then move on. You are not the holder of the truth and you are awfully wrong about what people do in this hobby.

Since you add nothing to the thread, take a good care of your next contribution in this topic, and it better not be to answer my message, as it need no answer. You've been warned.

 

[Nivka]

KevBslow on the uptake

 

[NICKM]

Just received mine, anyone thinking of buying one just do it. You will not be disappointed

 

[Bullflo3]

Just received mine, anyone thinking of buying one just do it. You will not be disappointed

Would you by chance be able to snap a few photos in direct sunlight? Or somehow be able to capture the dial giving off a hint of brown, if it in fact is there to show at all. Congrats on the new pick up!

 

[DoctorDark]

original point was that 99% pass their replica/fake off as gen. thats reality. can we move on with the thread now? despite dial color the 5711R is a nice watch.

Not in this forum. Many of the members have a mix of gens and reps and wear reps for different reasons. Also I really do not appreciate a person who obviously has spent little time here making assumptions and passing judgement.

I would never try to pass off my reps as real: I wear them for the purpose of experimentation and safety. I would never want to wear my gens to anywhere questionable as I have been robbed in the past. Also I would never wear my reps when I go to meet up with other collectors and/or go to an AD.

 

[kevBquick]

Not in this forum. Many of the members have a mix of gens and reps and wear reps for different reasons. Also I really do not appreciate a person who obviously has spent little time here making assumptions and passing judgement.

I would never try to pass off my reps as real: I wear them for the purpose of experimentation and safety. I would never want to wear my gens to anywhere questionable as I have been robbed in the past. Also I would never wear my reps when I go to meet up with other collectors and/or go to an AD.

i have 5 gen rolexes...does that make me cool? should i put that in my sig? should I need to post more? or can someone be informed without feeling the need to post or assume? I live in chicago and people make it habit to spot rolexes and steal them....that will never stop me from wearing them. this was just in the news last week.

you wear them for safety? does it stop bullets? how does it keep you safe? does the burglar know its a fake from across the street and said pass? what are we experimenting on. While I'm sorry something bad happen to you as that is not OK. i can have an opinion just as you did or your passing of judgement. i don't care if its a rep forum. bmw/audi. supra. forums never change. sorry i didn't sign up long ago and i just lurked without getting an account. does that make someone not cool enough. for a long time i was against this whole thing. wasn't till a gen owner turned me on to this...from the rolex forum that got me here. him swapping his bracelet really because he didn't want to damage it. i though that was kind of smart. prolly took me a year after that to actually buy one. now i'm not sure with the quality that they are if me buying gens anymore right. do i keep 10k in my pocket and spend 500? it all depends. while some can be an investment. most arent. i buy to wear.

at this point this:deadhorse:

 

[DoctorDark]

i have 5 gen rolexes...does that make me cool? should i put that in my sig? should I need to post more? or can someone be informed without feeling the need to post or assume? I live in chicago and people make it habit to spot rolexes and steal them....that will never stop me from wearing them. this was just in the news last week.

you wear them for safety? does it stop bullets? how does it keep you safe? does the burglar know its a fake from across the street and said pass? what are we experimenting on. While I'm sorry something bad happen to you as that is not OK. i can have an opinion just as you did or your passing of judgement. i don't care if its a rep forum. bmw/audi. supra. forums never change. sorry i didn't sign up long ago and i just lurked without getting an account. does that make someone not cool enough. for a long time i was against this whole thing. wasn't till a gen owner turned me on to this...from the rolex forum that got me here. him swapping his bracelet really because he didn't want to damage it. i though that was kind of smart. prolly took me a year after that to actually buy one. now i'm not sure with the quality that they are if me buying gens anymore right. do i keep 10k in my pocket and spend 500? it all depends. while some can be an investment. most arent. i buy to wear.

at this point this:deadhorse:

Lol cool story bro. The reason why I mentioned people as having a combination of gen's and replicas is to counter your previous point that people wear reps to pass them off as genuine. A lot of people here don't and the rules specifically state to not do so. And no I don't give two shits whether you have zero gens, 5 gens, or 20 because you obviously don't have a lick of understanding about how this forum functions.

Also are you dense or just being difficult? It takes two seconds of thinking to understand what I meant by safety. It just means I will not hesitate to simply hand a rep over and it really isn't too much a financial/personal loss compared to losing something like a gen AP royal oak or a Rolex. Utilizing intentionally poor semantics as the foundation of your argument only reflects poorly on your argument, not mine. As for how this forum functions compared to others, you will realize this is nothing like the Rolex forums. You aren't in the position to be saying anything about beating a dead horse because the argument here is about you deciding to make assumptions of other members.

 

[Glaude]

This just stop here, get back on topic guys, there's no reasoning to be had with this individual, DoctorDark you are wasting your time here.

Kevinbquick has been warned following his angry PM to me that he was not to continue to derail this topic, if he want to continue discussing the way this community see the reps or treats reps, there's already a lot of topic about it and he's welcome to add his 2 cents on them, failure to comply and he knows what is coming for him

 

[kevBquick]

yes i've been warned. this 5711 is decent but it still lacks the failure to go from black to gold brown. this has more grayish in it. and i think that confuses some with the reflection off the crystal giving off a grayish tint to it but when looking at the dial the edges are black to a center gold brown. it never makes that full dark brown/gold and never makes the range towards black either. similar to the blue dial. black to blue...we get muted blue/gray. its decent but in a side by side it is easy to see which one is which.

 

[Bullflo3]

Not a TD here, but this is the first pic I've seen of this watch that shows the dial having the ability to show the darker brown tone that appeared to be missing this whole time.

 

[NICKM]

Would you by chance be able to snap a few photos in direct sunlight? Or somehow be able to capture the dial giving off a hint of brown, if it in fact is there to show at all. Congrats on the new pick up!

Hi,

I've attached some pics of the sunburst brown Nd also the grey. The photos don't do it justice in honesty, looks insane in the flesh

Nick