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PP 324SC Super Clone
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thanks Raddave
crunchycarrot00 it's expensive to adjust free spring movements. just say the movement manufacturer could supply pre-timed/configured movements. once the dial and hands are installed, there will need to be a timing check. the rep factory will go from producing say 500 reps a day to say 20. it takes more skill to adjusted a weighted balance.
i have a tissot powermatic 80 movement installed in my AP diver. PM80 are closest cousin to 'free sprung', they are laser adjusted from the factory and no regulator for fine adjustment. i doubt any watch modder can service that PM80 when it dies and hope the 2824 balance can be installed.
crunchycarrot00 it's expensive to adjust free spring movements. just say the movement manufacturer could supply pre-timed/configured movements. once the dial and hands are installed, there will need to be a timing check. the rep factory will go from producing say 500 reps a day to say 20. it takes more skill to adjusted a weighted balance.
i have a tissot powermatic 80 movement installed in my AP diver. PM80 are closest cousin to 'free sprung', they are laser adjusted from the factory and no regulator for fine adjustment. i doubt any watch modder can service that PM80 when it dies and hope the 2824 balance can be installed.
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jm_brc_7057
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Thanks Dave. I just learned something. Makes sense now when they say it's a free sprung balance wheel regulated in x positions.
crunchycarrot00
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Yes I mean that's fair enough
I'm just saying I would accept lower accuracy for the look
I have like 15 reps in the watch case, they go on daily rotation so honestly I wouldn't notice a 2 minute deviation a day...
That and I'm an amateur watch smith so I'd actually like to get my hands on one just to play with it...
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Actually the powermatic is a free sprung movement ...
Regulation is adjusted by moving these weights either in or out
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They can , moving the spring holder arm will adjust the iso , or beat error
Its a great design for ETA , real impressive
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crunchycarrot00 the penny just dropped and i figured out why you mentioned free-sprung. you guys do have some attention to detail :notworthy:
still a great effort by the movement factory and will be down to time and cost. i am sure they have the capability to make it like gen.
i would pay extra $30 for a free sprung movement
still a great effort by the movement factory and will be down to time and cost. i am sure they have the capability to make it like gen.
i would pay extra $30 for a free sprung movement
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crunchycarrot00
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Yea
Honestly getting the gear train in the right place and auto wind mechanics in the right place isn't really all that difficult technically. Sure you need to get the right machinery to make your own custom baseplates and lathes to make your parts bla bla bla but if you can do it for an in house Pam movement you can do it for all the others. There's nothing special about the "where things go" bit of the equation.
A few sprung balance and the know how for techs to get them in spec is another ball game though.
Hell I think I would rank it higher on the list than a working perpetual calendar (which again .. Isn't all that complicated)
I fully expect this to be within the capabilities of the rep movement factories but at the moment they don't see the business reason to introduce all these goodies at once. Let them trickle through. Makes perfect business sense to do so.
Honestly getting the gear train in the right place and auto wind mechanics in the right place isn't really all that difficult technically. Sure you need to get the right machinery to make your own custom baseplates and lathes to make your parts bla bla bla but if you can do it for an in house Pam movement you can do it for all the others. There's nothing special about the "where things go" bit of the equation.
A few sprung balance and the know how for techs to get them in spec is another ball game though.
Hell I think I would rank it higher on the list than a working perpetual calendar (which again .. Isn't all that complicated)
I fully expect this to be within the capabilities of the rep movement factories but at the moment they don't see the business reason to introduce all these goodies at once. Let them trickle through. Makes perfect business sense to do so.
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Finally the SA324 movement comes out... not from V6F but from a New 3K maker... Same size as genuine PP 324SC movement.
the movement is printed instead of engravings.....
but it's a good starting.
Just heard that ZF and PPF will use this movement later, and will engrave it.
Just when I though I was done with Rep watch...These factories is really testing my marriage and bank account. Every time I try to explain these new "innovations" to my wife, she threatens to lock my bank account. OMG!!
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But the original PP balance wheel is not just a free sprung balance. They use their patented Gyromax balance wheel which has a set of weights on the wheel and you turn them around to compensate the balance. It looks really awesome but a royal PITA to adjust:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyromax?wprov=sfti1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyromax?wprov=sfti1
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BIONONE
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Thanks buddy.. you guys are spoiling me with tagging me to see all the latest developments with our Chinese friends. Many thanks..
now do it with any AP RO movement! (15400, 15450, 15202)
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ywg
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Makes totally sense business wise: they’re going to release a version with a flawed dial/case/hands/whatsoever.
Then they’ll sell the clone movement to ZF, which releases its own watch that got that flaw fixed but completely messes up something else.
People will go nuts and buy both versions to merge them just like they do with PF and PPF.
Win win situation
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