Pam389 Amagnetic Ceramic -[[ QC pics allowed ZFac reps ]]

[ALE7575]

Regarding subdial circles in OP catalogue I'm posting enlarged pic to see the circles
They are finer than in rep but they exist clearly.

Indeed the situation is very similar to indicated in PAM GUIDE for PAM 243
And the same happens with the viscosity and surface tension of paint covering the circles.
Circles in gen are finer and the gen coating has higher thickness, viscosity and surface tension to better covering the circles on subdial.

ALE

 

[mir36]

Woohoo!

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Thanks for sharing your QC pics. The bezel does look glossy, while the gen's matt. I hope it's just a piece of protective plastic. :facepalm:

 

[Bonesey]

Huh? That QC pic shows a matt bezel.

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[Norrie]

The bezel looks similar to what my SOA Abyss 44 looked like in the QC pics. I was worried about the marks but when it arrived it was fine. Just a QC QC problem. We expect all you lucky guys to post photo shoots when you get them in your sweaty little hands. Please oblige.

 

[mysterio]

Huh? That QC pic shows a matt bezel.

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The area around the 45 minute and the one at 8 o' clock seems to indicate a shiny surface. It could be just protective plastic.

 

[Bonesey]

It's a matt surface. Any fingerprint marks show up darker. The person has wiped the bezel at some point. Same as my pelagos.

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[ALE7575]

Some comments about issues found on this replica

-Bab finish of the polished edge of the bezel. We can justify, due to the price of the replica, a worse finish in cushion shape lugs and case, but the polished of the bezel edge is an easy matter to be got in a rep.

See comparison pics:

ZFac REPLICA

GEN PAM 389

-"Amagnetic" fonts are a bit wrong, mainly "a" and "g" and this "g" is a bit vertically misaligned

- Big markers on subdial are clearly bolder in rep

- Date Wheel fonts are Bolder too

- "30" on bezel has "3" wrong (in this sample at least)
- REG. fonts are slightly wrong

- Inner angle in CG hollow seems a bit smaller like other similar replicas
- Markers on bezel from 12 to 3 seem shallow and with clear worse finish

I would like to see better pics and with a carefully cleaned rep watch to see the real quality of the ceramic bezel (no very nice in these QC pics)



And below some interesting comments of flaws found by PeteM and posted in RG
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=212402&p=2353511&viewfull=1#post-2353511
“For me what caught my eye apart from the subdial Which I accept based on that pic I was wrong about... but it is definitely deeper on the gen.. and likely the concentrics are much less defined or shallower..

Was the knurling on the bezel interms of shape and finish plus and this could be just because of the pics or the finish is the way the ceramic insert meets the edge of the bezel there seems to be too much distance... but this could be just because of the knurling being different..

Then the tip of the CG especially on the inside is not as rounded as the gen and the same with the CG body where it meets the case... it appears as if there has been to much removed to give it that angle..the gens have this but the polishing of it gives it the appearance that more is missing than there actually is... also the CG seems slightly bigger on the rep as the REG of the REGTM seems to sit further away from the end of the CG but seems to be right in its distance from the arc of the CG..

The LSML is slightly higher above the six baton marker on the gen the bottom of LSML seems to sit slightly under the baton marker

The bezel markers appear sharper than the gen which seem more rounded however that could be just the fitting of the bezel or even the qc pics (which are limited) The gen has a rounded edge which makes the numbers appear closer to the edge wheras the numbers on the rep seem further from the edges because they are sharper and the numbers for example the 5 in 45...on the gen the rounded part looks like an open circle whereas the rep appears more like a squeezed U

The knurling on the crown is sharper on the rep and probably not as well finished

Again as mentioned the font is slightly off and thickness is lacking as in most reps
Then the rep pearl in some it looks good in others it seems to be lacking that acrylic glaze that you see over the lume in gen pearls just like the 187 reps etc do...some may recall the great Rolex pearl debate on say the DSSDs ... the gen has the lume sitting inside the polished surround with an acrlic glazed over so head on it looks full but when seen from sides or at angles the lume looks set inside the surround... I hope that makes sense..â€
Thats my take on the rep head on and I am sure other guys will have their own take on it...for me most of those details are minor (although a few can be easily modded) and on the wrist I reckon this is a great rep OTB"

 

[Zkebam]

Here are my QC I accepted.

http://imgur.com/a/dJhhi

 

[ALE7575]

Here are my QC I accepted.

http://imgur.com/a/dJhhi

Your watch really looks awesome in these pics
But why we never have some QC pics of the bezel from a side like gen pic above published?
I repeat that this watch has a problem in finish, shape and knurling of the bezel edge.

ALE

 

[ALE7575]

Please see the finish and shape of the bezel edge of a PAM 243 V2 from Noob

And now the a pic form the side of a PAM 389 Zfac and below the Gen pic

Do you see what I'm talking about?

ALE

 

[PeteM]

Reminds me of the way the makers could never get the bezel right on the RD excalibur....

Does anyone know if these rumours of another maker doing this is true? I have read that KW is and even Noob...

If noob is then you know its going to sort that detaisl out But i still think a little cut and colour will sort out that detail catching the eye on teh wrist

 

[Zkebam]

Please see the finish and shape of the bezel edge of a PAM 243 V2 from Noob

And now the a pic form the side of a PAM 389 Zfac and below the Gen pic

Do you see what I'm talking about?

ALE

Thanks Ale,....I think on rep geek Angus said that it would be polished etc. But I just asked QC to hold and first send me a picture from the side of the bezel!

 

[ALE7575]

Thanks Ale,....I think on rep geek Angus said that it would be polished etc. But I just asked QC to hold and first send me a picture from the side of the bezel!

It is not only a problem of polishing
It is a problem of uniformity of machining, knurled seems hand made. I know it is no possible but it is very uneven for a good machining. See the nice uniformity of the PAM 243 Noob V2 bezel knurling and mainly in the gen PAM 389
We leave aside the inaccurate shape

ALE

 

[ALE7575]

Thanks Ale,....I think on rep geek Angus said that it would be polished etc. But I just asked QC to hold and first send me a picture from the side of the bezel!

Please share your pics when received
Please ask dealer for a side pic from a point of view over the watch not form under the watch (just like gen pic or the pic of my PAM 243)

Thanks
ALE

 

[ganlinia]

not the greatest shot, but just chipping in to get down to the bottom of it.

 

[TimeWillTell]

solid review on the bezel ALE! I'm gonna see one in person soon, if this is not rectified its definitely a deal breaker for me! It looks like the maker missed out the polishing on the bezel before launching?

 

[Zkebam]

Please share your pics when received
Please ask dealer for a side pic from a point of view over the watch not form under the watch (just like gen pic or the pic of my PAM 243)

Thanks
ALE

I have put the pics in the album Ale, like to read your thoughts....

http://imgur.com/a/dJhhi

 

[peterpl]

Hows the operation of the bezel. The only thing I hate about rotating bezel is that almost ALL reps have play in them and they sound cheap when you tap on it like its loose. This is the biggest issue. Hows the rotation on this and can we make it tighter easily by popping it off and bending the retaining spring just like the skyland avenger or is it going to be a real shitfight trying to do this?

Im waiting on some definitive feedback on the bezel before I buy this otherwise beauty.

 

[ganlinia]

have the watch on my wrist. the bezel is tight, enough resistance not to be turned by accident.

sound of the clicks? it's quite crisp to me.

 

[ALE7575]

Please share your pics when received
Please ask dealer for a side pic from a point of view over the watch not form under the watch (just like gen pic or the pic of my PAM 243)

Thanks
ALE

not the greatest shot, but just chipping in to get down to the bottom of it.

solid review on the bezel ALE! I'm gonna see one in person soon, if this is not rectified its definitely a deal breaker for me! It looks like the maker missed out the polishing on the bezel before launching?

That's seems much better than old pics
Still no perfect but good enough (more or less 65...almost 70% IMO)
Better polishing too but far from the gen

This is not only a polishing problem, because the shape of the rep edge is a bit different to the gen. The most different is the lower chanfered that in gen gets more into the knurled part, lower chanfered in ZFac rep is narrower and doesn't get so much into knurled part.
The shape (section) of the knurling is completely different, much more squared in Zfac than gen, besides, cuts are thinner and sharper and therefore non cut part is wider. See the different section.
Knurling cuts are still uneven and the deeper part of the knurling is rough. You can see this roughness in the inner part of knurling cuts.
Maker knows that he cannot polish more strongly because you could see better the lack of uniformity and the differences of the knurling.

This knurling needs a complete revision to be right 85-95% with the gen

ALE