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PAM1312 Gen VS Rep (ZF) (Note: Pics Heavy!)
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Yes, it's possible, I had a rep 346 that had darkened jewels, but it looked a little funky.
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There is already a thread for this purpose
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/352352-New-1xxx-series-***-QC-pics-allowed-***
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Excellent post Dan89! Your comparisons are very detailed.
The only small thing that stands out if scrutinised closely to me is the strap on the gen has a bit more padding than the rep. I asked IT if they could replace the belly print strap with a genuine croc hornback strap as used on their Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Offshore Rubberclad Black Theme in their Super rep showcase - unfortunately the can't, so I'll be ordering it as it is.
The only small thing that stands out if scrutinised closely to me is the strap on the gen has a bit more padding than the rep. I asked IT if they could replace the belly print strap with a genuine croc hornback strap as used on their Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Offshore Rubberclad Black Theme in their Super rep showcase - unfortunately the can't, so I'll be ordering it as it is.
Unfortunately, straps are probably the part that won't get replicated 1:1 anytime soon. I mean, they have improved greatly over the years that you can get nice rubber and assolutamente straps that feel comfortable on the wrist, look the part for a fraction of the gen. But some of the straps are still there just for completeness' sake (I mean you can't wear the rep without a strap now can you? :lol: ). 99.99% of the time, TDs will mostly not be able to change the strap for you other than the variations you see on their website, like black calf, brown calf, brown vintage, etc. (hornback isn't on Panerai's OEM strap material list so that's definitely a no-go), but that's what the Strapmakers are here for.
The ZF I believe is also 15.6 like Gen, based on one of the pics...
http://s349.photobucket.com/user/lcwalice/media/gen zf 1312 compare 14_zpszeqblpsn.jpg.html
From the pics the ZF looks pretty dead on with the Gen, is it regarded as a superclone?
Same question here.....would anyone please confirm if the pam 1312 zf indeed, deserving of superclone status?
Hi everyone, first time post so if not allowed delete or point me in the right direction.
I've never bought watches online so advise would be appreciated
I'm confused between these three watches as they all look the same and seem to have the same specs but different thickness is more accurate.
Is this the best options for a first time Pan replica buyer https://www.intime01.co/panerai/402...lack-dial-on-black-leather-strap-zfp9010.html or is there something better about either of these two below??
https://www.intime01.co/panerai/324...lack-dial-on-black-leather-strap-zfp9010.html or
https://www.intime01.co/panerai/321...lack-dial-on-black-leather-strap-zfp9010.html
Will I be able to switch the strap easily to a brown leather?
Cheers for your help
I've never bought watches online so advise would be appreciated
I'm confused between these three watches as they all look the same and seem to have the same specs but different thickness is more accurate.
Is this the best options for a first time Pan replica buyer https://www.intime01.co/panerai/402...lack-dial-on-black-leather-strap-zfp9010.html or is there something better about either of these two below??
https://www.intime01.co/panerai/324...lack-dial-on-black-leather-strap-zfp9010.html or
https://www.intime01.co/panerai/321...lack-dial-on-black-leather-strap-zfp9010.html
Will I be able to switch the strap easily to a brown leather?
Cheers for your help
Ah, the "they all look alike" statement. Priceless.
For the uninitiated to the brand, initially the watches to tend to look alike but as you get to know the models, you'll know that like snowflakes, no two are exactly alike.The first watch is a PAM1392, 42mm, 22mm lugs, brushed case, polished bezel. The second watch is the PAM1312, 44mm, 24mm lugs, brushed case, polished bezel (almost like the PAM1392 but slightly bigger). The last is a PAM1359, 44mm, 24mm lugs, polished case, polished bezel, "dirty" dial.
All three have the "quick-release" strap system, so to answer your question, yes, very easy to change straps. All you need is the black plastic tool that usually comes with the watch (ask for it, just to make sure). But if it's not, don't despair, as although I have more than 5 now, sometimes I forget to bring one. :lol: Just find a toothpick (preferably a clean one Hehehe), break it into two, push the button at the back side with one tip and with the other, push out the lug bar. Replace the strap, re-insert the lug bar and just use one tip to depress the button at the back to allow the lug bar to fully insert, and release the button. That's it.
Ah, the "they all look alike" statement. Priceless.
The first watch is a PAM1392, 42mm, 22mm lugs, brushed case, polished bezel. The second watch is the PAM1312, 44mm, 24mm lugs, brushed case, polished bezel (almost like the PAM1392 but slightly bigger). The last is a PAM1359, 44mm, 24mm lugs, polished case, polished bezel, "dirty" dial.
All three have the "quick-release" strap system, so to answer your question, yes, very easy to change straps. All you need is the black plastic tool that usually comes with the watch (ask for it, just to make sure). But if it's not, don't despair, as although I have more than 5 now, sometimes I forget to bring one. :lol: Just find a toothpick (preferably a clean one Hehehe), break it into two, push the button at the back side with one tip and with the other, push out the lug bar. Replace the strap, re-insert the lug bar and just use one tip to depress the button at the back to allow the lug bar to fully insert, and release the button. That's it.
Cheers mate, going with the 1392 and plan on switching it to a brown strap. Next time I go for ribs I will have to grab some toothpicks. It's taken days to get to this point and I'm about to order but it seems Ryan has some positive feedback. Appreciate your advice. I love big watched and have some U-Boat rep from Thailand that were very good so I hope these are even better as they are almost double the price!!
Don't wait for the rib meal to get toothpicks (unless you go there every other day). :lol: Not sure why the U-Boat rep would cost twice the price of the PAM. I got the Chimera at a higher price than these PAMs but it certainly wasn't selling for twice the price.
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PAM01312 ZF VS Gen
https://forum.replica-watch.info/index.php?threads/PAM01312-ZF-VS-Gen.391110/
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I think this review has some false.
ZF lies to us , movement jewels not imported swiss,
Only used Color pen coating,
We can try ZF1312 V1 v2, color easy lost when touch.
@ red: ZF use red "jewels" (imported swiss) on "plates" similar to ETA ...
I don't think there is any review comparison on this yet as I had been trying to search around and finally found one using some possibly "chinese" searching terms and compiled them to imgur for easier access in RWI. As usual, don't mind the watermarks (not mine, not helping them to promote or whatsoever, I think either the author use them as a promotion or "steal" others and watermarked as his (I had heard some rumours on that)) What is in the content (as in pics) which is the most important. I think the gen had been used (which is why there is some "dirt" or "scratches"), the thickness of ZF is slightly thicker compared to gen? (maybe to my eyes), lume is slightly "brighter" green hue on the rep, engraving is lighter on the rep as well and the A7750 movement (balance wheel at 11 o'clock) is nice too. Overall IMO this is a nice replicating. Any opinions from the members are welcome too! Cheers and enjoy!
album compiled here: http://imgur.com/a/0CLbM
the pics are here:
Found similar pics but with "brief" explanation, so as usual will share it here.
the album compiled here: http://imgur.com/a/OeHfC
some sneak peeks and translation by me according to the words on the pics (for the benefit of those who don't understand chinese):
?? (gen), ZF (rep)
red: similar hour and minute hands between the gen and rep
green: similar AR or reflection
the other view:
red: the crown bridge "handle" pulled out are similar in angle
green: logo, second hand, date wheel are similar
red: bezel polished is good on gen and rep
red: sapphire crystal and bezel "sits" the same
red: the "view" from the crystal to the case (it's difficult to differeniate between the gen and rep from the "naked eyes")
gren: crown guard position is similar between gen and rep
red: brushing is good on the rep (comparable to gen)
red: clear caseback crystal
green: the balance wheel (decorated A7750 - p9010) on the rep is the same to the gen p9010 (@11 o'clock)
red: ZF use red "jewels" (imported swiss) on "plates" similar to ETA to make it more difficult to differeniate between the gen and rep
red: overall case and brushing are finished well on the rep (comparable to gen)
green: crystal height is similar
red: the "springbar" and "depth" are similar, and thickness of the bottom case are good on the rep (comparable to gen)
red: engraving on gen is "thick", "blurry" and not sharp but rep is "thin", "clear" and sharp
red: the thickness is the same on gen and rep (15.6mm)
red: the lume on gen is lighter and "darker green" and the rep is brighter and "greener" (imported swiss lume)
similar pics from [MENTION=70225]TimeWillTell[/MENTION]: https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb...-p9010-(zf)?p=3148608&viewfull=1#post-3148608
PAM1312 video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-URKgFfC1c
PAM1359 video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG_CU2CIxvA
I have PAM 1312 ZF and here below is the original destription from panerai website abut P.9010 with my remarks;
The automatic P.9010 calibre, entirely developed and created in the Panerai Manufacture in Neuchâtel, has central hour and minute hands, the small seconds dial at 9 o’clock and the date at 3 o’clock. The energy necessary to accumulate a power reserve of three days (my watch does not endure even overnight)
– the basic standard for Panerai in-house movements – is stored in two spring barrels whose springs are wound by an oscillating weight operating in both directions ( ONLY ONE DIRECTION....here is the point I believe regarding bad power reserve) .
Consisting of 200 components including 31 jewels, the calibre has a diameter of 13¾ lignes and it is 6 mm thick. The balance, fixed by a bridge with twin supports, oscillates at a frequency of 28,800 vibrations per hour (4 Hz). It is associated with the device which stops it as soon as the winding crown is pulled out, enabling the watch to be perfectly synchronised with a reference signal.....offcourse this is not the case for my REP but OK it's understandable...
In the P.9010 calibre the hours can be conveniently adjusted without interfering with the movement of the minute hand, thanks to the device which directly moves only the relative hand in jumps of one hour forward or backwards. This function is very useful when changing time zones or moving between summer time and winter time, and conveniently the adjustment of the hour hand is automatically connected to the date indicator.......NOT IN MY REP
Watch is great but is due to some poins mentioned here it's very easy to figure out that the piece is a replica.
The automatic P.9010 calibre, entirely developed and created in the Panerai Manufacture in Neuchâtel, has central hour and minute hands, the small seconds dial at 9 o’clock and the date at 3 o’clock. The energy necessary to accumulate a power reserve of three days (my watch does not endure even overnight)
– the basic standard for Panerai in-house movements – is stored in two spring barrels whose springs are wound by an oscillating weight operating in both directions ( ONLY ONE DIRECTION....here is the point I believe regarding bad power reserve) .
Consisting of 200 components including 31 jewels, the calibre has a diameter of 13¾ lignes and it is 6 mm thick. The balance, fixed by a bridge with twin supports, oscillates at a frequency of 28,800 vibrations per hour (4 Hz). It is associated with the device which stops it as soon as the winding crown is pulled out, enabling the watch to be perfectly synchronised with a reference signal.....offcourse this is not the case for my REP but OK
it's understandable...In the P.9010 calibre the hours can be conveniently adjusted without interfering with the movement of the minute hand, thanks to the device which directly moves only the relative hand in jumps of one hour forward or backwards. This function is very useful when changing time zones or moving between summer time and winter time, and conveniently the adjustment of the hour hand is automatically connected to the date indicator.......NOT IN MY REP
Watch is great but is due to some poins mentioned here it's very easy to figure out that the piece is a replica.
I have PAM 1312 ZF and here below is the original destription from panerai website abut P.9010 with my remarks;
The automatic P.9010 calibre, entirely developed and created in the Panerai Manufacture in Neuchâtel, has central hour and minute hands, the small seconds dial at 9 o’clock and the date at 3 o’clock. The energy necessary to accumulate a power reserve of three days (my watch does not endure even overnight)
– the basic standard for Panerai in-house movements – is stored in two spring barrels whose springs are wound by an oscillating weight operating in both directions ( ONLY ONE DIRECTION....here is the point I believe regarding bad power reserve) .
Consisting of 200 components including 31 jewels, the calibre has a diameter of 13¾ lignes and it is 6 mm thick. The balance, fixed by a bridge with twin supports, oscillates at a frequency of 28,800 vibrations per hour (4 Hz). It is associated with the device which stops it as soon as the winding crown is pulled out, enabling the watch to be perfectly synchronised with a reference signal.....offcourse this is not the case for my REP but OK
In the P.9010 calibre the hours can be conveniently adjusted without interfering with the movement of the minute hand, thanks to the device which directly moves only the relative hand in jumps of one hour forward or backwards. This function is very useful when changing time zones or moving between summer time and winter time, and conveniently the adjustment of the hour hand is automatically connected to the date indicator.......NOT IN MY REP
Watch is great but is due to some poins mentioned here it's very easy to figure out that the piece is a replica.
You're comparing the gen P.9010 movement with an A7750 movement with decorative plates to make it look like a P.9010. Were you expecting the two to have similar functions? That is not a clone movement. It's just convenient that the balance wheel of the A7750 is located @11 like the gen P.9010 so the factories decided to just add plates to it. Other than the look, they are not the similar, not even comparable.
Now if you were to compare a gen P.9001 movement with the V2 P.9001 clone movement like what's in the latest iterations of the PAM441, PAM438 and the PAM719, then you would have a much closer comparison, where the hour hand can be moved independently of the minute hand, and is automatically connected to the date indicator, as per gen. The seconds hand even stops when you fully pull out the crown to set the minutes.
A comparison is fine, but be reasonable with your expectations.
Ofcourse you are right. I just highlited some points and appreciate your comments. Thanks for P/V2.9001 remarks. Now I have something more to look forward.
I've owned a PAM312 since the A7750 days, then the A7750 decorated P.9000, then the PAM1312 with A7750 decorated P.9010 and while the build quality was fantastic from the start, the movement visual improvement added to the enjoyment of the watch. While I expected to appreciate the V2 P.9010 movement's leap in terms of function, I found myself fiddling with the movement's new functions. I am hoping the functions of the P.9010 will trickle down to the P.9000 soon so I can finally settle with a more permanent PAM312.