Not worth buying in gen

[efthimis]

Again, it is for the person itself to know and appreciate a gen vs a rep watch.. I enjoy my watches now and the rep game offers me the opportunity to taste gen design into a fraction of the price.. If I ever want to settle for just one watch the it would be a gen as it was my Omega PO before I sell it, had it for 5 solid years.. A shot for goodnight

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[magoohkg]

For me and from where I stand is it not just buying a watch that looks like the gen or will not be called out easily, owning a gen is far beyond that and I believe that someone who agrees with me doesn't have to explain himself too much.. For me if I had the opportunity I would be having maybe 4-5 gens and still will be involved in the rep "hobby" that so much enjoy..

I agree entirely,

And yes with a close to 40% margin for the dealership it's no wonder the gen looses some of its value as you walk out of the shop. I bought two gen rolexes in the past, both second hand and could sell them today for just about the same price I paid,, inflation corrected.



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[SuperLory]

I have only ever bought a rep, apart from 2 PAMS I have always gone with Rolex Sub. I love them, by far my favourite watch.
I will get a Gen shortly and wear it for the rest of my life I think...

However strange thing happened the other night when I was out in my local town centre having a few beers. My V5 Sub had stopped working, I ordered the new V7 and sent V5 for repair. When I bought my V5 from Toro he had an offer on some PAMS at $158, I bought one, for that price it was a no brainer. So because I did not have a watch I wore this when I went out. I could not tell a real watch to a rep, ever, I am useless.

So I'm out and this guy, looked a bit of flash guy said "Nice watch Bro" I said "Yeah, dont worry, its not real, unfortunately" He then argued with me for about 15 annoying minutes that it was real, and he knew all about watches and I was saying it was fake to 'Avoid attention'
That is the first time really I have ever been spoken to about a watch. Even after telling him it was from China. I should have sold it him for like £200 but he totally refused to believe it was a fake.
Do people actually care anymore?
So is it really wise to spend 5k on a gen sub when nobody has even asked me about them ever. They just assumed they are real. I probably will still get one, in fact I know I will but as I browse the forums I start to like more and more watches... Tudor now taking my eye...

I have a sd4k modded by zocker and when I tried the gen at the ad I couldn't find the 15k difference.. Maybe I'm not too anal. But stainless steel and black dial can't be so much better than the rep

sent, me thinks

 

[timnic54]

Again, it is for the person itself to know and appreciate a gen vs a rep watch.. I enjoy my watches now and the rep game offers me the opportunity to taste gen design into a fraction of the price.. If I ever want to settle for just one watch the it would be a gen as it was my Omega PO before I sell it, had it for 5 solid years.. A shot for goodnight ?

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Great lume shot. Bet that took a bit of UV to set up.

 

[efthimis]

Great lume shot. Bet that took a bit of UV to set up.

Lolololol, yes it did!!

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[flyingMD]

Based on my exp with 10 reps and a few gens, Noob is generally making good Sub and PAM. Don't buy ZF one since QC is really bad. Once it comes to AP, JF is the best. V6F is also ok with some Hublot BB and Zenith and IWC pilot watches.


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[Variatio Delectat]

Based on my exp with only 10 reps...

SCNR :whistling:

 

[SUBKILLER]

This is by far the best thread I've read on RWI. THANKS OP for your knowledge and expertise.

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[nipe]

OK So we will try a little experiment. You go to Rolex AD buy a new Daydate , keep it for a year and report back how much you get for it.

I will buy a Rep DD keep it for a year and see what I can get for it

How much would you like to bet that I will be infront ?

Let's try that with 15 years.

 

[Jurist]

Let's try that with 15 years.

Do so! But please consider from an economical point of view the one who buys the Rep has three major Advantages in advance:

- The buyer of a Rep loses $ 300 in 15 years. The buyer of the Gen might lose much more and cannot determine how much loss is probable. If both get robbed the Gen owner looses $ 30,000. If the market of used watches colapses the Gen owner looses $ 30,000. If there is Little demand for gold watches, the Gen owner looses an indefinite amount and so on and so on.

- The Gen Needs at least 2 services in that period which equals (ignoring Inflation) at least $ 1,500.

- Assuming that both the Gen and the Rep owner have at the beginning of the experiment the same cash avalaible, the Rep owner can invest up to $ 30,000 more than the Gen owner. Do you really think that an investment in one particular watch will have a better Performance than a well ballanced portfolio consisting of blue chips, mid markets, start-ups, ETFs, goverment and corporate bonds, gold, real estate, ETCs?

 

[timnic54]

Let's try that with 15 years.

Price of a Daydate Feb 05 $20550 avg value of same watch now $12000 QED

That's 11 years I don't think 15 will make it much better

You would have done better , much better, with a SS Sub, but add a couple of services and factor in inflation and compared to the rep you would be right up the creek without a paddle.

More mythology

 

[Variatio Delectat]

Let's try that with 15 years.

Still no joy my friend, too bad. Could not agree more to both fellow members already having answered you.

 

[seikosumo5]

i feel with my Noob Crpo Omega 42mm gen feel with 250$...and i am not ready to spent 3500$!!!!

 

[donniedarkness]

i feel with my Noob Crpo Omega 42mm gen feel with 250$...and i am not ready to spent 3500$!!!!

I love mine too. If it ever actually starts giving me issues, I *might* consider gen ... But otherwise, I see no reason to upgrade! Such a great watch.


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[Armcandy]

I also believe no rep can match the quality of a gen. That said, the gap in price will almost always favor a rep to a gen, at least for me. I have owned 2 gen watches, after being in the rep game for about a year now, ill never buy another gen. I echo many of the statements on here, way more value and less worry in a rep.

 

[JimLahey]

A rep is a REP for a reason. It does not compare to the gen. Will the rep be easily exposed & have tells easily seen by the general public & novice watch-smiths? No. 95% of watch owners/enthusiasts will not know if your rep is really a genuine(has anyone besides yourself actually glared at your rep, eyes just inches away, appreciating its beauty). Once the case back has been opened, then maybe it can be an tell for some, depending on the version/type of the rep & the experience of the watchsmith/individual observing it. While I would rather have a gen over a rep any day of the week, I prefer reps. Even if I made 1 Mil USD a year, I prefer reps. They're easily replaceable and my heart beat doesn't race abnormally high whenever I do anything that can damage/scratch the watch(which is almost everything). There is no question that the quality of a gen is of MUCH higher quality than that of a rep. If you think otherwise ~ do some research, please. Is a gen worth the money? IT DEPENDS, of course on the person & how much that person is willing to spend on a watch. The question: "Is it worth it?" ~ Is so subjective and is not worth the time to argue one side over another. EVERY PERSON IS DIFFERENT, & EVERY PERSON'S WILLINGNESS TO SPEND $ ON things such as watches is different. Arguing "is it worth it?" Is IMO a stupid question and one that should not be asked or answered b/c it is a question that cannot be answered objectively. My opinion: I can't see myself every buying a gen. Even if i had 10Mil I would still buy reps(a lot more of them). If I was wealthy enough I would SO much rather give reps away via raffles on this forum than spending 10,000$ + on a gen. RWI is not just a "rep forum" but a place to understand the basics of the inner workings, composition, & physics of a watch. But, also a place where people come together to express/discuss their love for watches, while making good friends in the process.

 

[demolitionman]

Great thread, The OP's original concept has been diverted somewhat but all contributions have been informative and/or entertaining.

All items have both actual and perceived value, for me Reps are much closer to actual value being manufacturing cost and a modest profit for manufacturers and re-sellers where as most mid-high priced Gens are by far mostly perceived value being peoples perception of quality and prestige.

Of course MOST Gens do have a higher actual value as per manufacturing and R & D costs but a much higher percentage of their retail cost is made up of marketing and sponserships so for me I'd rather be paying actual production costs than sponsoring tennis matches so Reps represents better value to me and my hobby given my income bracket.

Not to say that I wouldn't like to collect high end Gens but as the OP has stated for the purpose of owning a nice looking watch many of the Reps satisfy the urge.

Very well put...

While not the quality of the genuine article, designated Super Reps cost a tenth or less of gen price and present at an approximate rate of 95% reproduction accuracy to gen in look/feel, and there is no denying that is a good value, perceived and more importantly actual.

 

[mobilesearchman]

Wonderful display of knowledge. Thank you! You are helping me with my purchase focus.


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[CrazyPaneristi]

Thanks for sharing!!! Very informative post.

I'm new to the forum and only have gens but recently took the plunge and ordered my very first Rep. I ordered an AP ROO Safari but still waiting for it to arrive. Do you have any experience with the AP ROO Reps?

 

[bioguy66]

Well in 5 years your rep will be worth 0 as it will be in a landfill somewhere. Don't imagine too many Rolexes are lining landfills. Reps are fun for short term, gens are meant for the long term.

OK So we will try a little experiment. You go to Rolex AD buy a new Daydate , keep it for a year and report back how much you get for it.

I will buy a Rep DD keep it for a year and see what I can get for it

How much would you like to bet that I will be infront ?