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timnic54

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r0b9502 said:
How good are you at spotting a 4 Hz movement vs 3Hz? without the piece on timegrapher? On a moving hand which wears the piece?? If you can, kudos to you!
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8 or 6 variations per sec . Yes it is noticeable. But less so with a stuttery Miyota.
 
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Why are there no LindeWerdelin on this list? Both dial colours of " The One" , and the Spidolites should be here imho


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What do y'all think?
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Rabbagasten said:
Why are there no LindeWerdelin on this list? Both dial colours of " The One" , and the Spidolites should be here imho


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timnic54 said:
Maybe time to do an update with some additions. I will get onto it.
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Seconded. With gen straps (ridiculously expensive, but makes a huge difference) The One reps are virtually indistinguishable from their gen alter egos.
 
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I'm feeling a bit charitable this morning.[emoji6] TC (Thomas Caddell) builds Rolex reps. His works are considered the best for that brand, as reflected in his prices and wait time. He has rockstar status and a cult like followership. He is not infallible but many consider it an anathema to even criticize him. He is presently on an hiatus.


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Hiatus, huh? So you're saying he might come back? :))

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timnic54 said:
For many years I have owned Gens I have an extensive collection and as a serial flipper for many years there are not many watches I have not at one time owned.
Recently I have started buying some very interesting Reps. Times have changed and manufacturing techniques have advanced, along with measuring techniques.
There are of course many watches which for reasons of complication and various details will not rep well.
I now find that I am compiling in my mind a list of watches where I believe IMHO that it is simply not worth buying the gen. That is if you are prepared to accept that the movement in your rep may over years need some (Not even expensive ) TLC.

Here is the list and why

BP FF (Noob) Unless you plan to go diving don't bother with the gen. There is no significant difference. I have both and have had the opportunity to examine them side by side.

Zenith type 20 Extra special. I have held both the rep and the gen in my hands and made direct examination. Very slight hand and dial texture difference visible only with loupe and in good light.

Cartier Santos 100 XL
No difference that I can detect with side by side comparison. Even on the gen the cabochon is synthetic and not of higher quality than the Rep.

Rolex Submariner (Noob V7 AS 3135) Unless you plan to go diving IMHO there is not any significant difference I have owned 4 gen Ceramic Subs and still have one .

Pam 111 (Noob V4) Exactly the same in every way in a side by side examination . If you are hyper critical the gen has a tiny bit better finish in the movement plates and wheels .

I almost put the JF AP diver on this list but holding the gen and rep in my hand there are very slight differences n the level of finish in the screws around the bezel , but that is all. Close !

I am sure I will find more watches over time which are not worth buying in Gen.

Anyone want to add to the list of watches which are simply not worth buying in Gen
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Any watch that can be perfectly Franken'd is not worth buying gen.
Complications however I'd agree to some extent are worth buying gen, perhaps not for retail pricing though.
 
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Hi guys, I will paste here the updated list 2017 developed from my Sept 2016 list. A good job made by Omagad (credits to..) that I believe belongs here and not in a rep thread:


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Updated NWBIG / Super Replicas consensual list
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- Commonly accepted as Super Reps (consensual list) -

Audemars Piguet ROO Diver JF V7 : review

Blancpain Fifty Fathoms ZF

Breitling Avenger GMT GF
Breitling SuperOcean Abyss
Breitling SuperOcean Abyss Chrono (Noob)
Breitling SuperOcean Heritage Black
Breitling SuperOcean Steelfish H-factory v2 (be careful, it has square hands, they are not produced anymore)
Breitling SuperOcean II 44mm (Noob) (black only)

Cartier Santos XL V6

Hublot Big Bang V6 SS (the dark models only and not the carbon fiber one)

IWC 3777-01 ZF
IWC 3878 Spitfire V6F
IWC Big Pilot 5009-1 ZF
IWC Ingenieur Noob

Montblanc Timewalker chrono Noob a7753

Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean 600m 42 and 45mm LMPO

PAM 000 - Luminor Base Logo (44mm) N-series Noob V2.5
PAM 005 - Luminar Marina Logo (44mm) N-series Noob V2 / N-series H maker V2
PAM 026 - Luminor Marina Destro PVD (44mm) K-series Noob V3
PAM 029 - Luminor GMT (44mm) M-series Noob V2-improved
PAM 057 - Luminor Power Reserve Titanium (44mm) DSN
PAM 088 - Luminor GMT (44mm) O-series Noob
PAM 104 - Luminor Marina Automatic (44mm) O-series Noob
PAM 111 - Luminor Marina (44mm) N-series Noob V3
PAM 112 - Luminor Base (44mm) M-N series Noob
PAM 117 - Luminor Marina Titanium (44mm) N-series Noob
PAM 127 - Luminor 1960 "Fiddy" (47mm) Latest Noob
PAM 164 - Luminor Marina Automatic (44mm) O-series Noob
PAM 176 - Luminor Base Titanium (44mm) M-N series Noob V3
PAM 177 - Luminor Marina Titanium (44mm) N-P series Noob
PAM 187 - Luminor Submersible Chorno 1000m (47mm) Noob 7753
PAM 217 - Luminor Marina Militare 1950 Destro "Fiddy" (47mm) 2012 Noob
PAM 243 - Luminor 1950 Submersible (44mm) M-series Noob V2
PAM 285 - K-series KW/V6Fac with A7750 decorated like OPIII)
PAM 288 - Radiomir Chronograph (45mm) K-series H maker
PAM 292 - Radiomir Black Seal (45mm) J-series Noob
PAM 297 - Luminor GMT (44mm) O-series Noob
PAM 299 - Luminor Marina Automatic (K-series) (44mm) O- series Noob
PAM 318 - Luminor Marina Logo (44mm) L-series Noob
PAM 346 - Radiomir Titanio (45mm) KW
PAM 356 - Luminor Chrono Daylight (44mm) O-series Noob 7753
PAM 364 - Luminor Submersible 1950 Titanium (47mm) P-series Noob
PAM 390 - Luminor Boutique Edition (44mm) N-series Noob
PAM 411 - 420 - Luminor Marina Boutiques Special Edition (44mm) KW
PAM 432-434 - Luminor Marina Boutiques Special Edition (44mm) H Maker
PAM 508 - Luminor 1950 Submerislbe Ceramica (47mm) KW-V6Fac Ceramic decorated A7750 Inverted KP9000 // P-KW-V6Fac Ceramic decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2
PAM 569 - Luminor 1950 Submersible Dextro Titanium (47mm) KW-V6F Q-series Seagull Non-Inverted KWP9000-Seagull V2
PAM 571 - ZFac P-series P.9000 decorated A7750 NON-inverted Improved ZP9000-V2.5 // KW-V6Fac P-series P.9000 decorated A7750 Inverted KP9000-V2. Best option in Nov 2015 for A7750 lovers //KW-V6Fac P-series P.9000 decorated Seagull NON-inverted K9000-SeagullV2. Best option in Nov 2015 for Seagull lovers
PAM 607 - KW-V6Fac P-series Ceramic decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2) The most interesting version for A7750 lovers. // KW-V6Fac P-series Ceramic decorated KP9000-Seagull V2 NON-inverted The most interesting version for Seagull lovers
reviews of all PAMS


Rolex 114300 Grape and Grey dial JF
Rolex Sub 16610 TC
Rolex TWBEST/WM9 (Sub/Bluesy/DD)

Sevenfriday P series (P1-1, P3-1), V series (V2-1) and M series

Tag Heuer Aquaracer 300
Tag Heuer Aquaracer Calibre 5
Tag Heuer Carrera calibre 1887 V6F - Ceramic Bezel Black Dial on SS

Tudor Black bay Red
Tudor Ranger Heritage
Tudor Black Pelagos ZF V2 (not the LHD one)
Tudor Blue Pelagos V6F V2

Zenith Type 20 extra special V6



- Under debate / No Consensus yet -

Probably NWBIG/Super Reps :
Hublot Classic Fusion 42mm JJF black dial (V2)
Rolex Sea Dweller 4000 Noob V2 SA3135 only
Rolex Explorer 214270 SH3135 (JF)
Zenith Pilot Extra Special 20 (ZF)


Under discussion (needs more feedback) :

Bvlgari Diagono Magnesium GF
Breitling Avenger Blackbird (GF)
Breitling SuperOcean SeaWolf H-factory v2
IWC Portuguese 7 days ZF
Jaeger-LeCoultre Diver Master Compressor (Noob)
Omega Seamaster 300
Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean GMT 600m
Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean 600m 42 and 45mm (CrPO)
Rolex Sea Dweller Deepsea (DBlue) Noob V7


FIRST CLASS but refused as Super Rep :

Bell & Ross 03-92 ZF (not the Golden Heritage one that has a very bad Dial)
Blancpain Fifty Fathoms (Noob V2)
Omega Seamaster 300 Spectre KW V2
Rolex Yachtmaster Rhodium/Blue Noob SA3135
Rolex Submariner Ceramic 116610 Noob V6s/V7
Tudor Pelagos LHD - ZF

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This is a great source of info for us all so thanks @simonjay and Tim and all others who contributed. In terms of accuracy it's important to have the exact versions, so for instance the Breitling Superocean Heritage Black on the list needs to have Noob v2 added to it as there are current versions of this watch which are not very good and the drsctiption as stands could lead to someone buying one. This leads on to a related but important point which is the SOH v2, like some of the others listed, hasn't been made for years so you will only get it m2m, so perhaps this could be shown by classifying the watches as TD if they are currently available to buy new, or m2m if they have been discontinued and are only available that way.

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Hyjynx said:
I'm feeling a bit charitable this morning.[emoji6] TC (Thomas Caddell) builds Rolex reps. His works are considered the best for that brand, as reflected in his prices and wait time. He has rockstar status and a cult like followership. He is not infallible but many consider it an anathema to even criticize him. He is presently on an hiatus.


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What was his price out of interest?
 
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andyr said:
This is a great source of info for us all so thanks @simonjay and Tim and all others who contributed. In terms of accuracy it's important to have the exact versions, so for instance the Breitling Superocean Heritage Black on the list needs to have Noob v2 added to it as there are current versions of this watch which are not very good and the drsctiption as stands could lead to someone buying one. This leads on to a related but important point which is the SOH v2, like some of the others listed, hasn't been made for years so you will only get it m2m, so perhaps this could be shown by classifying the watches as TD if they are currently available to buy new, or m2m if they have been discontinued and are only available that way.

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@Omagad this hint is for you

Thank you @andyr

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