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NOOB V3 116500LN announced! Whats new?
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fair enough, as long as movement is not falling apart it’s all good. I remember reading about some significant issues before but they’ve prob been rectified and I do have a good watch smith. A lot of these do seem to have decent SEL now, but your strap is a sure fire fix. Haha
Yes mate !! Well not entirely true , but you will got “This Look” with CF bezel and Gen 116520 dial
Nobody will find out, even they put side by side with gen 116500, you just have to say, its a gen 116520 with after market bezel, voila,,, you got yourself a really nice rolex watch, a stable movement and more confident around crowd
The 116520 dial is a plug & play fit in on the 4130 movement?
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Yes mate,,,
Any gen dial not need any mod to fit in noob 4130 movement. Just plug n play,,,
I think this may be as good as I get, what do you folks think? Face looks decent, hour markers are relatively aligned, SEL certainly isn’t perfect but isn’t terrible.
Thanks for the feedback. I really appreciate another set of eyes.
Thank you for the quick reply! I am on the way to search a black and a white dial ;-))
Thought rules as I understood were not to post QC photos unless a specific issue. I think SEL is bad here but may be as good as we can get with these, so that’s the issue/question. Forgive me but a significant deal of this thread is about quality of and against the Noob V3, so real time info of what’s happening seems like relevant and useful info to me.
My apologies if I’m missing something or breaking a rule, and appreciate all those that have helped me and make this forum such a great resource.
My apologies if I’m missing something or breaking a rule, and appreciate all those that have helped me and make this forum such a great resource.
I just finished going through all 121 pages of this thread & I have never been more turned off about a watch as I am right now about this one.
It might be that I am turned off by the Rolex fans here, mostly the new members that just signed up within the last month or so and have just a few posts all of which go something like this: Hi I'm new here. Here are my QC pics. Is this V3? I think my sub dials look fat. What do you guys think? Look at the sel gaps. They are huge, I think I'll refuse this one.....etc, etc
Good grief guys....
Does anyone realize that this watch is actually really small in real life? For most of this little picky crap that everyone is bitchin about you will never see with the naked eye. Markers that are off by 1/4 of a second? Subdial hands not resetting exactly to 12 & off by a degree or so. Are you kidding me? Do you guys have any idea how small those subdials are? Sels? WTF gaps of 1/100mm are normal on any watch including gens. Even if they weren't there when the watch is new with a little wear you are going to see some of this.
I'll probably get flamed for my post, but this thread is exactly why I am turned off by both Rolex and Rolex fans. Some of the most respected longstanding members here say that this is one of the best reps ever & yet 90% of this threads posts are about all this nit picking bs that has little to no basis & I'm just not a fan of it.
If I were a TD I would charge at least 3x the markup on Rolex as any other brand rep
It might be that I am turned off by the Rolex fans here, mostly the new members that just signed up within the last month or so and have just a few posts all of which go something like this: Hi I'm new here. Here are my QC pics. Is this V3? I think my sub dials look fat. What do you guys think? Look at the sel gaps. They are huge, I think I'll refuse this one.....etc, etc
Good grief guys....
Does anyone realize that this watch is actually really small in real life? For most of this little picky crap that everyone is bitchin about you will never see with the naked eye. Markers that are off by 1/4 of a second? Subdial hands not resetting exactly to 12 & off by a degree or so. Are you kidding me? Do you guys have any idea how small those subdials are? Sels? WTF gaps of 1/100mm are normal on any watch including gens. Even if they weren't there when the watch is new with a little wear you are going to see some of this.
I'll probably get flamed for my post, but this thread is exactly why I am turned off by both Rolex and Rolex fans. Some of the most respected longstanding members here say that this is one of the best reps ever & yet 90% of this threads posts are about all this nit picking bs that has little to no basis & I'm just not a fan of it.
If I were a TD I would charge at least 3x the markup on Rolex as any other brand rep
Despite the 121 pages, I'm still excited about my future rep, so I guess all this QC "drama" didn't affect all of us.
"We have confirmed receipt of your payment, we will send you QC pics ASAP, please email [email protected] for any questions regarding your QC pics. Thank you again for your order."
Definitely. This happens every single time I take a step out of my door
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Despite the 121 pages, I'm still excited about my future rep, so I guess all this QC "drama" didn't affect all of us.
"We have confirmed receipt of your payment, we will send you QC pics ASAP, please email [email protected] for any questions regarding your QC pics. Thank you again for your order."
This is sort of my point. No offense to you as you are new & you are excited about your 1st rep. Believe me, I get it and I remember what it was like wanting someone to hold my hand every step of the way and wanting to get the best possible watch. I'm sure you are a little nervous that you will be ripped off and a little excited all at the same time.
Here is the thing: those of us that have been here for several years and still post know that most noobies come here and post just a few times asking for help and once they receive their 1st rep they disappear never to be heard from again. I have bought and sold over 60 watches in the past 3 yrs and I still come here to see what the improvements from V2 to V3 & I don't mind helping someone that is new and is genuinely interested in learning something about watches or helping someone get interested in watches as a hobby, but I (and I am sure many of the others that have been here for a long while and know what they are talking about) have grown tired of this nonsense of every brand new member magnifying a watch 20x and then both criticizing and demanding that the TD's do better & that they are ripping us off etc.
TD's don't make watches, factories do. TD's offer QC pics as a concession to this community and to be sure you are getting the right model watch and that there are no missing/broken parts & pieces etc and that is about it. QC pics are NOT meant to be nit picked and obsessed about over and over especially by those that don't know what they are talking about. If you think this is directed at you and you are new it probably is, don't take offense. If you have been a watchmaker for 20+ years and have bought hundreds of reps, but somehow you just found this place I guess I am not directing this at you, for everyone else:
Every watch has flaws including every gen. All you have to do is magnify it enough and look close enough and you will see. Tolerances are never perfect. SEL gaps: Stop with it. You are not going to notice this on the wrist. Markers being off a fraction of a degree, stop again you will NEVER see this on the wrist and it is ONLY seen when magnified. Fat Subdial rings a DEAD GIVEAWAY from 20 feet, Stop! There is just no way. That idiot several pages back that said in all seriousness that he could tell the V3 white dial Daytona from a Gen from 20 feet away, come on now lets be real. This is just such a load of crap and why is anyone doing this? Colors are VERY difficult to reproduce on the computer screen. If you are new and you are not an expert in photography then don't post about color differences as you just don't know what you are taking about. In short, stop rejecting watches for stuff like I mention above. That is not what QC pics are for at all.
Nanook - great comments! Overall I agree with your sentiments - there are too many newbies who want instant gratification, guidance and validation for decison making of a purchase that really is only a fad driven and transient diversion. This is an affront - it almost feels like a cultural divide between us old schoolers who "really get in to a hobby" - who put the time and effort - not only to read these blogs but to actually take the time to learn how to take the back off change a dial and learn to regulate a watch to within a few seconds a day. These idiots with just a little knowledge and a couple of months of "being in to it" want to throw bombs at factories who have steadfastly taken these watches to an unparalleled level of fidelity. I bought my first fake Rolex in 1994 (before many of the newbies at issue here were even born). It was a Sub. Totally cheap looking - I did t even notice at the time that it said "GMT Master" until I got it back on to the aircraft carrier the Navy had deployed me on. I will send a pic of this when I get a chance because it is so comical. During my next deployment 2 years later I remember going around Hong Kong searching for anyone (what we would call a TD today) who could hook me up with a super rep - I remember at the time I was willing to pay up to $1000 for a rep of ultra high quality - this when a sub was selling for 3K. The problem wasn't what I was willing to pay it was that they did not exist. This started my passion for this hobby and the search for the what was then unobtainable.
Fast forward to today - I own 40 + reps and 4 gens. All of these reps are such an incredible advancement from just a few years ago. The $60 dollar rep today was the $400 rep of 10 years ago. My hats off to all these incredible factories that made it all possible. Evolution happens but it is not overnight. It's over years mainly but any event far too long for temper tantrum newbies who "want it NOW!" to be satisfied. As an aside I do think however we are reaching a point of diminishing returns aesthetically. Looks wise and performance wise these watches are incredible. Feel wise - not there yet. I have never wound the crown of any rep that approaches the silk smoothieness of a gen. To me no matter how perfect a rep is visually - the "Tell" is always going to be when you hold it in your hand and play with it. On a GMT it will be the way the GMT hand moves or the solid clunk of the bezel. On a sub the perfect little snickets the bezel makes as you turn it. The best reps are generally going to be those without turntable bezels or date windows. For me the Milgause comes close. The Daytona is probably next.
Because the quality of the aesthetics has progressed so far we and the factories are naturally turning towards the next frontier - the movement! We all suffered through the issues with the SH/SA 3135 and 3186 clone crapola. Normally in a movement you would expect incremental improvement like we have come to expect in the aesthetic. This is what makes the The Noob 4130 so incredible. Literally out of the blue and in one swoop the produced a movement that is accurate, reliable and very close to gen! I am absolutely gob smacked at the technical achievement this represents. I own 7 of them.
So with all of that out of the way - I will point out my disappointment with the watch which in my mind stand out unecesarily. These are Subdials and the Bezels. Everyone else can point out the smallest infraction of serif print or pinpoint gap in corner of SEL. All of these are absolutely forgivable because no one without a loop could ever notice these. But the subdial thickness/shininess is IMMEDIATLEY obvious. I have a mix of ARF and NOOB and can pick them out instantly when they are mixed up. It's something pics don't really see as easily because of the auto exposure and the inability of photos to really capture the glint of a too shiney subdial. Likewise the bezels. The titanium of the gen really enables it to reflect light indoors whereas the Noob bezel just "fades to black". Again iPhone cameras compensate for this somewhat but the human eye pics it out immediatley - especially indoors. The number of real life situations where the noob - no matter the Version - looms "correct" and gen like is far out numbered by the times you look at your watch with a disappointed "meh" at the bezel.
ARF has always had a great rep for being more accurate aesthetically than Noob - but it has its issues too. The bezel is brighter but it's not etched as deeply as gen and the brightness is achieved by obvious white paint vs titanium. As far as the dial - it is higher quality than the Noob but the print is wrong - from an earlier generation of black dials (2000-2015) and not from the ceramic era. So yes it looks better but is still wrong.
Of course all this is correctable by buying gen dial and bezels - but that's going to cost over 3K min. I haven't see firsthand the CF bezel although I hear it's good - even though it's $160 - probably worth it. As far as I can tell the most cost effective bang for the buck Franken is a ARF dial with CF bezel and clasp (although I think the Noob is very close to ARF on bracelet/clasp but if you're buying an ARF to replace the dial anyway you might as well).
But all of this begs the question - given the technical achievement of the rest of watch - why couldn't they fix - or at least - minimize the bezel and the subdials - these are very basic flaws - easy to detect and easy to fix and would save us several hundred dollars and a lot of effort for us from having to franken the fixes in there!
anyway I'll close now - basically I love this hobby and the advancements of the factories but am at the same time mystified by how they can achieve such hard things yet ignore the easy stuff!
i would love to here the perspectives of MScott and some of the other old timers!
thanks for letting an old guy rant
Fast forward to today - I own 40 + reps and 4 gens. All of these reps are such an incredible advancement from just a few years ago. The $60 dollar rep today was the $400 rep of 10 years ago. My hats off to all these incredible factories that made it all possible. Evolution happens but it is not overnight. It's over years mainly but any event far too long for temper tantrum newbies who "want it NOW!" to be satisfied. As an aside I do think however we are reaching a point of diminishing returns aesthetically. Looks wise and performance wise these watches are incredible. Feel wise - not there yet. I have never wound the crown of any rep that approaches the silk smoothieness of a gen. To me no matter how perfect a rep is visually - the "Tell" is always going to be when you hold it in your hand and play with it. On a GMT it will be the way the GMT hand moves or the solid clunk of the bezel. On a sub the perfect little snickets the bezel makes as you turn it. The best reps are generally going to be those without turntable bezels or date windows. For me the Milgause comes close. The Daytona is probably next.
Because the quality of the aesthetics has progressed so far we and the factories are naturally turning towards the next frontier - the movement! We all suffered through the issues with the SH/SA 3135 and 3186 clone crapola. Normally in a movement you would expect incremental improvement like we have come to expect in the aesthetic. This is what makes the The Noob 4130 so incredible. Literally out of the blue and in one swoop the produced a movement that is accurate, reliable and very close to gen! I am absolutely gob smacked at the technical achievement this represents. I own 7 of them.
So with all of that out of the way - I will point out my disappointment with the watch which in my mind stand out unecesarily. These are Subdials and the Bezels. Everyone else can point out the smallest infraction of serif print or pinpoint gap in corner of SEL. All of these are absolutely forgivable because no one without a loop could ever notice these. But the subdial thickness/shininess is IMMEDIATLEY obvious. I have a mix of ARF and NOOB and can pick them out instantly when they are mixed up. It's something pics don't really see as easily because of the auto exposure and the inability of photos to really capture the glint of a too shiney subdial. Likewise the bezels. The titanium of the gen really enables it to reflect light indoors whereas the Noob bezel just "fades to black". Again iPhone cameras compensate for this somewhat but the human eye pics it out immediatley - especially indoors. The number of real life situations where the noob - no matter the Version - looms "correct" and gen like is far out numbered by the times you look at your watch with a disappointed "meh" at the bezel.
ARF has always had a great rep for being more accurate aesthetically than Noob - but it has its issues too. The bezel is brighter but it's not etched as deeply as gen and the brightness is achieved by obvious white paint vs titanium. As far as the dial - it is higher quality than the Noob but the print is wrong - from an earlier generation of black dials (2000-2015) and not from the ceramic era. So yes it looks better but is still wrong.
Of course all this is correctable by buying gen dial and bezels - but that's going to cost over 3K min. I haven't see firsthand the CF bezel although I hear it's good - even though it's $160 - probably worth it. As far as I can tell the most cost effective bang for the buck Franken is a ARF dial with CF bezel and clasp (although I think the Noob is very close to ARF on bracelet/clasp but if you're buying an ARF to replace the dial anyway you might as well).
But all of this begs the question - given the technical achievement of the rest of watch - why couldn't they fix - or at least - minimize the bezel and the subdials - these are very basic flaws - easy to detect and easy to fix and would save us several hundred dollars and a lot of effort for us from having to franken the fixes in there!
anyway I'll close now - basically I love this hobby and the advancements of the factories but am at the same time mystified by how they can achieve such hard things yet ignore the easy stuff!
i would love to here the perspectives of MScott and some of the other old timers!
thanks for letting an old guy rant
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Wow your comment really thru your heart haha wellsaid!
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I got a very nice watch as a result of this thread and what I learned on it. I’ve also learned a ton as a result of this forum. Therefore in spite of the haters I’m glad we have this info here in this awesome forum, and sincerely thank those that created it.
I’ve been buying reps direct from Chinese friends for years (I spend a lot of time in China), and ironically didn’t even see the flaws much until becoming a member here, but I’m grateful again for all the info.
Cheers to those that have helped so many of us. That’s what makes forums such as this great and useful. As for those that have time to read 121 straight pages just to rant about how terrible the community of newbies is...well I envy you for having as much spare time as you do. If you spent that energy educating as opposed to complaining imagine how much better the world would be. I’m sure I’ll get screamed at for my two cents since I’m a newbie to the forum and so many seem to have the opposite sentiment.
Oh, unlike N factory subs, , ARF Daytona, and most other reps I have, the aesthetics of the new N V3 do vary a lot, pretty sure that’s why people are uneasy and asking for help. Again I appreciate those that have been helpful.
Make it a great day!
I’ve been buying reps direct from Chinese friends for years (I spend a lot of time in China), and ironically didn’t even see the flaws much until becoming a member here, but I’m grateful again for all the info.
Cheers to those that have helped so many of us. That’s what makes forums such as this great and useful. As for those that have time to read 121 straight pages just to rant about how terrible the community of newbies is...well I envy you for having as much spare time as you do. If you spent that energy educating as opposed to complaining imagine how much better the world would be. I’m sure I’ll get screamed at for my two cents since I’m a newbie to the forum and so many seem to have the opposite sentiment.
Oh, unlike N factory subs, , ARF Daytona, and most other reps I have, the aesthetics of the new N V3 do vary a lot, pretty sure that’s why people are uneasy and asking for help. Again I appreciate those that have been helpful.
Make it a great day!
I received my new Noob V3 Daytona yesterday. I think it looks really nice. However the bracelet is too short for my wrist. I do have large wrists but normally meet to remove 1 or 2 links this time it just fits with the divers extension expanded. Its still a little tight. Should they send me a spare link. I emailed the TD but they have not yet responded.